What's the best goddamned M4 you can buy under $1,750 in both flavors? Not sure if I want RIS or traditional handguard since I may want to fit the M203 grenade-launcher which looks better with the traditional rail-covers.
If you don't actually play Airsoft and only do target shooting or have it for personal enjoyment, GBB is your best friend, and they usually cost between 320-400 depending on which one you are looking at, if you can get the specific model I can tell you the Asia price, I am not in the US so I can't tell you which US dealer to deal, I can tell you Hong Kong online dealers though, as I have been to almost all of their base stores in Hong Kong, an Aeg really is all about performance, if you love realistic but may want to game sometimes, a Marui Mws is a good alternative to VFC, VFC newer guns are reliable but Marui is even more robust, so they will work nice, with loads of aftermarket part support, We also works but unless you are willing to pay for extra expensive Ratech parts and time for gunsmithing, just go marui, if you heavily focus on personal shooting and just personal enjoyment, a VFC, you may need to modify it a bit though, and DO NOT get their first generation guns, they always **** their first generation up and only got it right in the secondAwesome! Thanks, man! Yes, USD. I don't play-this is just for personal shooting. Yeah, I would definitely like a top-tier GBBR. What exactly is the VFC and the actual manufacturer name? Still on the fence whether I want an AEG too (probably both).
Okay, so for the AEG, a G&G with custom work then? Yes, I would like a MOSFET-circuit. But I don't want to click the trigger to program if I can avoid it (not sure about Bluetooth either).
I would just like three fire-modes: Semi-auto, three-shot burst, and full-auto (i.e., I don't need a ton of custom fire-modes). I guess that's four modes including safe? Either hard-EEPROM'd, or hard-wired. Or I guess I can just program it once the way I want it and forget it.
Also, any Asian dealers you recommend? Where do people find G&Gs for sale? (I'm in the US.) Thanks again for the recommendations!
That looks f'ing dope! The same idiosyncratic production schedules occur in my other hobbies as well, so I know what you're saying. If you didn't buy Kato CalTrain model train passenger car in 2010, or a Cwejman synth-module in 2020 (the maker died), you'll never get one unless you pay a 2,000% mark-up on eBay if you can find one.
Yeah, I was afraid of that. Yes, very similar to modular synth gear. People have pre-orders for stuff going two years now for some items (and they are waiting!). I'll mosey along over to WGCshop and see what I can find. I'll also be getting the pistols from them. Thanks for all your help!Ummm...you can't get the two models listed.
VR M4A1 GBBR
VR M4RIS GBBR
They haven't been in the production queue at VFC for over 17 months.
There are speedloaders for loading GBB mag with ease, loading midcaps for Aeg is basically the same if not even more annoying then a GBBR, so unless you only run Hi cap aeg mags and have the patience to not go mad from the stupid rattling, loading it isn't a problem, and if you still really want a good Aeg, I would recommend something like a Krytac, their rifles are pretty lovely, I love the LCT AK12 and RPK16 but have mo experience with their M4 line, assuming you still only want it for their looks and not using them for a game, VFC Aeg M4 are still an option, their self shimming gearbox don't work but for just some target plinking it works, Western arms M4 are best known for their M4 Gbb system, not Aeg, so I recommend not going there, E&C east crane guns are also solid, but need more fine tuning then most, however the silver E&C gearbox it comes with is spectacular, excellent for teching, Bolt Aep rifles is also VEFY SOLID, a good balance between performance and realism from the Recoil, it is the best on the Aep market, Marui NGRS aeg rifles will also work, although their aftermarket support is VERY poor, so I would recommend a Bolt or a Krytac, they should do the jobChange of plan!
Hey, thanks for all the great replies here-much appreciated! I've now switched to shopping for rifles in AEG exclusively (gas is too hard to load). I'll still be buying Tokyo Marui GBB pistols, but only Glocks. I guess I'll be shopping for a G&G or WA-Tech M4A1 plus an M4 RIS, both in AEG. Other brands to consider? I guess I'll need to, since M4A1s and RIS' are pretty scarce from many suppliers.
So back to the original question, sans GBBRs, and with a lower price-range: Best damned AEGs for under $750? Thanks in advance!
Right! Hell or high water, the F-1 is going back tomorrow, re-stocking fee or no.Most American Market AEG's are 400fps if not a tad greater . . .
Wow, Jonny! Thanks for posting that ultra-detailed analysis! Really appreciate you taking the time and effort to write all that up! I'm using this as my buying guide going forward. Based on your recommendations, I looked for the KWA M4s today at Evike, but they were all sold out. I am definitely a more of an out-of-the-box kind of guy and don't, at this point, plan on performing any upgrades myself. Thanks again!Please read this, I hope it may contribute to your decision making process . . . hope this was at least somewhat helpful and gives you some more options on what to look at!
If your Glock is malfunctioning bring it back to Evike, you shoukd have requested a test firing before buying all the guns, the support should have this type of mag release problem covered, and while the Marui Glock is plastic it can be very easily modded to have a metal slideEvike HQ Superstore: Field trip!
Finally made it to Evike's Alhambra store today, located on the eastern edge of Los Angeles County. Only 30 miles away, but through the worst traffic in L.A. Good news-Evike took everything back without any re-stocking fees! Learned a few things:
• In-person retail shopping is hard to beat.
I was finally able to demo a Tokyo Marui G17 . . . and, it just felt far too light. And even though it's a replica of ceramic gun, its light-as-a-feather feel made it seem a bit too toy-like for me. On the upside, it's slightly thicker than the Umarex Glock (the Umarex feels too skinny), and fits in the Kydex holster a bit more snuggly, but still rattles around a tiny bit (the Umarex is very loose in the holster and rattles a lot).
Also, for whatever reason, Kydex' thumb-release is completely non-functional with either manufacturer's Glock (i.e., instead, you have to pull on the front cover to release the gun-extremely awkward and time-consuming-an issue I consider a non-starter for this combo).
So I searched the counter for larger ceramic-gun replicas and noticed the Salient Arms' "BLU" by EMG. The gun is visibly larger and has an aluminum-slide and polymer frame which felt much more solid than the Glocks. It also felt more to scale. Of all the ceramic-pistol replicas Evike had on display, this is the one I liked the most for weight, feel, and build.
So I bought the BLU on-the-spot and just brought it home-too bad it doesn't work! Oh, and the mag constantly falls out of the gun-really embarrassing.
• Tokyo Marui M4 SOPMOD (RIS) NGRS:
I finally got to hold this in my hot little hands-wow! What an awesome replica. You have to actually hold this to appreciate the quality feel of the gun. But I wasn't quite sure I wanted to pay Evike's 30% mark-up over Hong Kong pricing ($570 vs. $437). Also, I wanted to get the M4A1 first and possibly add the RIS-version later. In any case, I'm definitely sold on the quality of Tokyo Marui rifles. I just have to decide if I'm okay with a sub-300FPS rifle as my main shooter.
The KWA RM-M4 Jonny recommends is also very appealing, possessing all three of his must-have features. The follower is a neat, nice-to-have feature, but not necessarily a deal-breaker for me. In fact, I'm willing to give that up should I decide to go with Tokyo Marui rifles exclusively, so that I can use the higher-capacity, 520-round NextGen magazines (really hate loading).
So as it stands now, it's between these two (or one A1 and one RIS):
• Tokyo Marui M4A1 SOCOM Next Generation NGRS AEG ($437).
• KWA full-metal RM4-A1 AEG3 M4 carbine AEG ($330).
Though, unfortunately, as I mentioned, the KWA is out-of-stock at Evike. I originally planned on getting two Tokyo Marui NGRS rifles (one for me and one for my GF), so we could shoot together and so that she would be able to change her own batteries more easily.
• Batteries + chargers:
So I loaded up on new 11.1V, 1.450mA LiPos and a new NiMH for my MP5. Test-fitted each one at Evike today to make sure they all fit. Got a pair of Titan $32 lithium smart-chargers with digital displays and a cheap 8.4V NiMH-charger for my MP5 since I don't know what its internals are rated for.
• Rifles I have:
Recall that I kept my A&K full-metal M4 RIS, 'cause it looks cool and was only $139. The SCAR was only $159, so keeping that too. Don't know how robust their internals are, so I guess I'll just shoot them to death until they break. The A&K M4 will be my "thrasher" gun. The SCAR I bought for my GF to wear in my short film (may buy a Tokyo Marui NGRS SCAR in black later). The Umarex MP5 I bought in 2007, my very first AEG.
• A&K full-metal M4 RIS AEG.
• Cybergun FN SCAR-L (tan) AEG.
• Umarex H&K MP5A5 AEG.