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If ya'll don't mind, I'm gonna copy n paste a discussion I was just having with another regular on a different thread about Crappy VFC made "EF/Umarex Glocks":

I have a recently New EF Glock 17 4th Gen and as a supposedly "premium" price range GBBP it is Garbage compared to so many other brands from Taiwan or China in much lower price ranges.

• The Trigger is HORRIBLE - gritty and with a mile long pull that FINALLY ends with a 9 to 10 lbs inconsistent release.
• Calling the manufacturing sloppy is an understatement. You can see Daylight through the full 1mm GAP between the Slide and the Frame, which means you also see the UNBLACKENED Metal subframe the Slide rides on!! (WE Tech Blackens their subframes on their G-17 and GP1799 models)
• Barely 300fps with .20 BBs.
• They can't give you a freakin' Threaded Barrel on a +$225USD Retail / $179USD Street priced GBBP??? GMAB!

6 months after I bought the VFC "EF / Umarex" G-17 gen4 I bought a WE Tech GP1799 (a combo G17 inside and a Walther P99 outside) and that thing had a near perfect trigger (no grit, long pull, and a 7lbs drop), the sights were right on for 25 yards w/ .25 BB's and the 5 shot groups were under 1-1/2 inches! Stock Sights are perfect too, using colored ligjt tubes.

I love them, the Polymer frames are beautiful, graceful yet mean looking, an incredibly well done casting, almost invisible mold seams. WE Tech is well beyond those crappy "Pot Metal" days, the slide is a gorgeous high-strength Aluminum casting, then CNC finished and lighter than the VFC EF Glock slides by nearly 18%. Internally it's mostly TM Glock 17/19 mechanically, but the WE T parts are far better material and finish than the VFC Glock's and I can't see any reason for any parts to fail, unlike much earlier WE T GBB 1911 and Hi-capa series. I bought a bunch of the all Black and Silver/Black GP1799 T1's from a Taiwanese dealer at wholesale to sell in my little gunsmithing shop. Sold 10 in just a month to the locals.

I am NOT plugging Evike.com, they are many of the Online / In Store dealers that carry WE Tech, shop around first, but right now they have the Black /Black GP-1799 T1 on sale. The Brushed Silver and Tan T1 is even cheaper, kinda hotter looking (I have both). I have seen the Black/Black as low as $95 when on sale.

 

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The best airsoft Glock you can buy is a Tokyo Marui. No discussion. Their first model G17 will outperform most other brands on the market today. And that's an old gun.
Their Glocks just keep getting better with every release, so I'd say anything with the new 15mm bbu (G19 gen 3 and beyond) you're set.

Sorry, I don't buy that the TM Glock 17 or 19 are the best for the obvious reason ..... bushing help or not, the slide is STILL Polymer Plastic. over the long haul, it will still crack and break at its weak points, the muzzle end and at the ejection area. I've seen and worked on them for airsoft player clients, even the most recent generations. Cracks starting to form.

Also, out of the box, the TM G17 gen 4 and G19's have heavy trigger pulls and not crisp let offs. Certainly not as god awful as the EF Glocks that are just pure crap. Best measurements I've gotten with a Digital trigger pull device on a new TM G17 gen 4 was 5.25lbs, a new EF Glock G17 gen 4 (I have one 6 months old) is a staggering 8 lbs and gritty as hell before it finally drops the striker!

Out of the box WE Tech GP1799 T1 (fully G17/19 internally) has a crisp 2.45lbs pull! I bought a bunch of them and also WE T G17's to resell out of my shop from a dist in Taiwan and the G17 gen 4's also had crisp 2.2 to 2.8. lbs trigger pulls. The WE T "clone" Glock 17 gen 4's are the exact same inside as the WE T GP1799, which are TM Glock clones. Both types have aircraft Aluminum CNC finished slides, far stronger than TM's Poly slide and they weigh essentially the same, so the WE T's cycle just as fast as a plastic TM Glock.

(top to bottom: EF G17g4, WE T GP1799 T1, WE T GP1799 T2 Tan/Alum)

WE Tech has really "stepped up" their build quality in recent years in their GBBP's, a far cry from the sometimes questionable pistols they made 7 to years ago. I have the whole "Dinosaur" named Series Hi-capa 2011A1's I use for Airsoft Run n Gun and other type one on one matches, they are far superior to and other brand Hi-capa's I've competed against. Again, aircraft Aluminum CNC finished slides, fiber reinforced Poly/Alum frames, gorgeous crisp triggers right from the box.

 

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I've seen the usual cracks start at the front of the slide, it think everyone knows about that area, but also on the right side of the slide back below the ejection port. I tried to take a picture, but it wouldn't show up because it was only a hairline, best seen with a 5x magnifying glass. Granted, neither of the owners had that extra buffer washer, but I doubt something as hard as a polymer washer would have stopped anything! More likely a very firm rubber material washer buffer, as we use in real steal 1911's, S&W's, Glock's. etc would be a wiser choice even for Airsoft. I use one in my EF Glock 17/4 even with their double spring recoil spring system and notice the recoil is less harsh at full slide recoil.

I have to admit the EF Glocks have the most recoil of any of the airsoft Glocks I've shot. Clearly the EF Glock (the few I've had access too, including mine) must have the tightest mag to gas chamber "fit" or a larger volume chamber for more gas. Though it doesn't seem to give the EF Glocks any higher fps that the WE T GP or G-17 models. The TM Glocks have the lowest fps measured of any Replica Glock's I've tested with the same brand Green Gas (Swiss Arms, 110psi NO silicone).

@ Nikolai - I have to say I've never seen a slide stick or begin to bind on any WE T GP1799 or G-17 yet. If anything, WE T kinda CNC's that barrel opening in the muzzle of the slide a bit too big, allowing a bit too much vertical movement of the barrel when in battery. Of course, the barrel opening HAS TO BE a bit generous to install and remove the barrel because of the nature of how a "Glock" is designed, that the barrel has to tilt a LOT to remove it from the slide. Don't have that issue with a 1911/2011 design or even a P92 or M9 Beretta that also has to have the barrel come out similar to a Glock, and should I say the Beretta design is much older than any Glock and the kinda similar German Walther P35 that pre-dates WWII is even an older design that Beretta "sort of" emulated.

I wish I could see your WE T G17 to find out what's not right to make the barrel bind? I bought and sold a bunch of WE T G17's, none so far have had any problems, I inspected all of them, tweaking a bit if I spotted anything, before selling them locally. I gave everyone I sold them to a 6-month warranty because I not an "authorized" factory seller. I have that much confidence in those G-17's.

I can't compete with Evike and Airsoft Megastore on the GP-1799's though, since they are official resellers, they've been selling them as low as $90 some bucks + shipping when on sale. (I have to pay the expensive "retail" air shipping from Taiwan.) In fact Evike has the GP1799 T1 (target model) on sale right now for $15 off their regular street price (retail on these are $155). GP1799 T1 Sale

Just to make it clear, while the WE T GP1799 OUTSIDE is a G17 had a "baby" with a Walther P99, all the outside "buttons" and Trigger, and INSIDE are PURE TM Glock Clones! You can substitute ANY internal parts made for a TM or EF Glock 17/19 into a WE T GP1799. But, except for the Polymer trigger on the WE T GP1799 (a little disappointing, but so are the plastic EF and TM triggers), the internal parts are all premium Aluminum!

I just installed an all Aluminum SAI Tier One Flat Trigger meant for the TM G-17/19 in my Tan and Brushed Alum GP-1799 I use for IPSC and Run n Gun airsoft matches. It was a "drop in" Love its feel.

 

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I hope the internals are actually Zinc Alloy, a high grade Zn Alloy. Pure Premium alluminum alloy would be too soft...and would wear quickly.

Though this discussion has brought up some loose details in my head.

The WET Models of the Glocks that WE puts out are of a better quality.

Not to be confused with regular WE Glocks that have issue with original tooling that caused barrels to bind and eventually snap between collar and chamber housing.

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I didn't say "pure aluminum", and WE T advertises the GP1799 and newer G17 as "Aircraft Quality Aluminum" which is a high tensile strength ..... I was a USAF Pilot for 22 years, regular and reserves. 27th Spl Ops Wing.

That broken G-17 you show above is a Umarex EF G-17, gen unknown. Not a WE Tech. WE Tech have no "roll-on" or stamped in "company markings" ...... reason, WE Tech's Glocks aren't "Licensed" !! All the WE T's have cast into the Alumunum slides is "G-17", no Glock icon etc.

 

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I DID say, as you Quoted, "Premium" Aluminum", nothing about specific "Grades".

"WEAR" (ie Aluminum) is not an issue with Airsoft pistols, they'll never be shot enough to wear out that way. BREAKAGE (cracking) IS an issue in Airsoft pistols, especially when the slide is Polymer or another type of Plastic.

And ALL GP1799's are Aluminum CNC finished Slides, so are the newest G-17's ... Period. As are ALL of the "Dinosaur" named Hi-Capa's.

 

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I found some photos of my WE Glock. After a week it started jamming up like this. I notice the trades are different than the ones on yours, Guges. Maybe that means something idk. I just hear too many negative things about WE for me to want to give them a shot again, no pun intended. It would take plenty of positive user feedback for that to happen.

First, the different Tradewmarks are because YOURS is the real WE Tech G-17 from the 2019 era, I don't know what the hell Guges is supposedly showing! I have NEVER seen a WE T G-17 of any mfg date, with either the Glock logo trademark, or Glock's Patient Numbers! And, I just sold out a recent batch of WE G-17's I just got from Taiwan in January!

Second, all this wear (see photo markup) is clearly YEARS of use, maybe even abuse, bcause I don't see any lubricant on the metal parts!! You have to LUBE parts that move against other parts. Don't blame jamming issues on the manufacturer, when you don't dutifully LUBRICATE your pistol.

I see more airsoft (and real steel) guns coming in for repairs because the owners are negligent with cleaning and properly lubricating their pistols. THE ONLY handgun you get away with NOT Lubricating (as the owner) is a Revolver!

Buy White Lithium Grease and lube your guns! It STAYS PUT, doesn't Evaporate like Silicone lubes, or petroleum oils, and it's easy to clean when it gets dirty. Graphite Lube is another option, but it's expensive and messy.

 

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I appreciate your feedback. Yes of course, lube is important. However this photo shows the sanding job I did to try and remedy the problem (Roguesystem087 on YouTube made a video about it).
It was literally still a brand new pistol when the tilting barrel started locking the slide as seen in the 2nd pic.

Always provide us with all the details, like the sanding, help us to diagnose problemo's.

1 & 2) - NEVER trust some idiot on a YouTube video, ya know the old adage 1/2 of everything on YouBoob is wrong, and the other 1/2 is BS. ALWAYS USE a hard hard hard FINE Arkansas Stone to smooth any parts on a gun, REAL Steel or Airsoft, especially airsoft because of the sometimes questionable metal they use. A stone will Smooth a part, rather than REMOVE metal, which ANY grade of sandpaper is meant for, never "polishing". When ANY Gunsmith does a "Trigger Job" to all the components in the whole mechanism from trigger, to the Sear and Hammer, etc, a STONE is always used, NEVER sandpaper or a file.

3) You may notice that often internal parts in the Barrel to Trigger /Hammer group, in a Airsoft gun looks like they were not "finished off" (smoothed, trimmed, polished, etc) because the (manufacturer is lazy and cheap) and the crap metal nearly everyone uses in the trigger /hammer group is left that way to surprisingly be more "slippery" to other unfinished castings because of the nature of virgin casting surfaces. Sounds nuts, but true. ONLY stone a surface if you HAVE TO, you have no other choices, maybe because there are rough casting lines, burrs, ..... Feel the external surface of a decent casting, and notice that it's actually smoother than any internal surface. Also, when Alum is cast, the Alum is slightly more dense at the casting wall, then below the surface. The Aluminum molecules are more "compressed" i guess in the casting process. Sand off that surface skin, you loose the thicker metal.

Questions:
1) I don't understand WHERE you are certain the barrel is "binding"? At the outer barrel lug, the inner barrel but where? ........ How did you determine where it's binding up?
2) Where is the Slide at in the cycle? Half way back in recoil, or forward in loading a BB and going it to "battery"? 1/4. ..... 2/3rds, 3/4's going back or forward?
3) How "stuck" is the barrel? Barely binding, stuck?

I use two WE T GP1799's my black T1 I use for MilSim skirmishs, has a whole 2,500 bag of .23 BB through it, not a single problem, nuthin' and it's scary accurate on target to 100+ feet. Granted it's more lightly used in my world.

My other is the Tan/Silver (brrushed Alum) GP1799 which i use only for Run n Gun, ISPC, other Match Shooting. I've shot the sh*t of of it, over 10,000 .25 BB's and 1,500 Aluminum .25 "Match" BB's, and again not a single issue.

The insides of the WE T GP1799's are IDENTICAL to WE T "G-17's" that have been made in the last 3 to 5 years, since the GP1799 was introduced. (I don't know the exact time frame). But when I imported 10 brand new, made in 2023 G-17 models, I took a couple (all black and tan/black like yours) completely a part to compare with my 2022 GP1799's. They are IDENTICAL inside, slide is cast in the same method as the GP1799's.

I don't see how, at least recent G-17's, could jam.

Would like to help you out and using your WE G-17 again, ....... confidently.

 

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Mine are real WE's...just because you have never seen one first hand with these marking doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means I am/was more connected to the industry. These are legit Asia only WE's with full markings...as noted by the classic WE gas magazine plate.

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and their additional embellishment...they subbed the Glock Logo on their mags too.
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But there is not a single "WE T" LOGO anywhere, no "Atom with a W" inside it, not WE logo on the Grips, nothing. Aftermarket baseplates or full WE T G-17 series mags can be bought anywhere, I've bought 20 from Evike and Airsoft GI in LA! Nothing on your many picture prove they are WE Tech G-17! The finger crip cuts on the Slide you show are not found on ANY WE Tech G series GBB! WE's all have deep cut slats, not what you picture shows!

On the WE Tech TAIWAN website for G Series GBBP's there are NO G-17's that look anything like what you show! They show what they sell in Asia or Europe, not the US.

They're G-17's look like these, not like what you're claiming are WE T G-17's. The "Glock logo" is just a G, not a Glock logo! It says "Tactical" NOT "Made in Austria".

Even this Custom model below looks nothing like yours. Vertical Slide cuts, WE Logo on grips. THEIR patents, not Glocks..

The TAIWAN WE Airsoft website, not a USA one. - http://www.weairsoft.com/guns/pistols-gas-blowback/g-series.html

 

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I appreciate your support. If I remember correctly, pulling on the outer barrel when it jammed would send the slide home. I'm not sure what that would mean internally, but I don't have the gun anymore, so it doesn't matter. This happened in Belarus in 2021... Maybe WE sent their defective guns there 😂

Hmmmm, OK. I have not heard of this, but I'm curious about it now. I'm going to be ordering another 10 new WE T G-17 gen4 from Taiwan, my Brother-in-Law does the buy and ships them to me, may buy a few other WE T models not available here. The multi-store WE dealer we're buying from has committed to sending any broken parts to me if one breaks in leu of no Warranty and I fix them. I am only selling them to local So Calif airsofter's. I'm going to ask my brother-in-law to also look for a G-17 gen3 for me, and I'm going to see if I can replicate this problem.

Hey, Nikolai - Don't know where in the US you live, but if you have $100 sitting around, get a WE T GP1799 T1, Evike and Airsoft MegaStore frequently have them on sale for under $100USD + ship on sale. I can't buy them from my dealer chain in Taiwan where they are made, ship Them here and resell them at those prices! They what a Glock 17 gen 5 should have been. I always hated Glocks, real and especially Airsoft any brand. I've always used either M9's/P92 Bereta's or 2011 Hi-Capa's in Airsoft, now I'm pretty sold on the GP1799 version of a Glock. Warning though, GP1799's are not for small hands.


Are you originally from Belarus? I have a good friend "Alexey" and his wife, and grown daughters, they are originally from Belarus. He was in the "Soviet" army near it's end. He's a Jew, so they "fled" to America a long time ago. He plays on one of our local (American) "Veteran" MilSim teams, fortunately his English is excellent.

 

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Thanks Guges.

What about the alumium slides?.

I thought the WE ones were zinc alloy like all of the other brands.

WE Tech Slides since 2020 are Aluminum Alloy, go read their company literature!! So are the metal parts of the lower frame, that's not Polymer!!

And WE Tech is CNC finishing ALL their new GBBP, you CAN'T CNC Zinc anything, alloy or not, it's too brittle. Again, READ their company literatire.

 

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It's truely a shame when someone trys to always be a "Know-it-all" and just make a fool out of themselves.

NONE of those are North American models, I spoke to USA SOLD MODELS

I have another 5, but your site limits only uploading these as my Evidence of PROOF of USA / CANADA WE Tech Aluminum Models!

If you need any help extracting your Foot from your Mouth ..... call the Triple A.

 

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Great question and one that’s sparked many debates over BBs and burgers at the field.

The Umarex Glock 45 Gen 5 and the Umarex Glock 17 Gen 5 are both top-tier airsoft Glocks, each bringing solid performance and realism to the table. But if you're aiming for the better all-rounder, I’d go with the Glock 17 Gen 5 especially the one from Airsoft Station
Here’s why:

Realistic feel
The G17 has that full-size, service pistol heft that just feels right in your hands. It’s like the Swiss Army knife of airsoft sidearms.

You’ll find it fully stocked and ready for action at Airsoft Station

How Long Have You Worked For Airsoft Station ????
Sounds Like an INFOMERCIAL!

You got one thing right, EF (Umarex) Glocks sure do have the "real feel" of any Glock, Best Known For the WORST TRIGGERS IN ALL OF Pistol Manufacturing!

If You Like the Feel of a Never Endingly LONG Trigger Pull Through Gritty Sand .... By All Means, Buy a POS EF Glock of ANY model.