Dad overwhelmed

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by Dodgerblu, Oct 29, 2020.

  1. Dodgerblu

    Dodgerblu New Member

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    My son 12yo wants to get into this hobby. Daum it’s expensive. Son shows me a rifle that’s $500. NOVRITSCH SSR15.

    I don’t want to throw a bunch of money into this and then he gets bored.

    Been reading up on guns for the last week. Lots of reviews but for every good review there is a bad one. And same goes for every retailer.

    so some guns I’ve been looking at

    rifle
    CYMA platinum m4 QBS

    pistol
    Echo1 Wolfsbane
    Kli 1911 hi spa Baba Yaga
     
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  2. CacheFlow

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    I love cybergun I’ve bought and modified more than a dozen with great results. Has the same feel as the novRICH. Which is a great, over priced platform.

    the key mod full metal is epic, and under $220. Amazon has some great deals too...not to help bezos the beast.

    my 2 cents.

    good luck!

    -Cache
     

  3. yrutimid

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    stay away from NOVRITSCH. that gun isn't worth 500. u can build a gun for that price and it be better. baby yaga breaks quickly (personal experience). idk much about the wolfsbane. I haven't seen any in Arizona yet.
     
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  4. Ben3721

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    Novritsch's products are aimed at young inexperienced players who think paying extra money will make you some sort of god on the field. He is a big youtuber that has fallen into becoming one big self promotion.

    Question, has he been shot by an airsoft gun yet or even played with a rental? Many younger players try the sport, get blasted too close once or twice and they are done. Others just brush it off and continue enjoying their day.

    In airsoft, most our m4 guns are based off a Japanese spec design, there are many much more affordable and reasonable guns than some rebrand from a youtuber.

    So you can go with a mid grade m4, and get it tuned up once it has issues, or you can get something that's going to work for quite a while out of the box like a kwa or krytac.

    I started playing 10 years ago when I was 17, I had a old mp5 aeg that was only worth 130 bucks paid for with my own money. I would recommend starting with something affordable, then down the road if he gets into it, then go for a higher end replica. But stay away from Novritsch's products, the guy is a greedy dude these days.
     
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  5. aotsukisho

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    Cybergun is the license holder, we need the actual OEM of your replicas to make a better definitive statement. A&K, GHK, WE/AWC, CYMA, VFC, KWC, etc.

    Not usually viable for someone entering the hobby, it is alright as a gun for someone who is unwilling or unable to spend the time researching, purchasing, and installing beneficial aftermarket parts correctly. SSG24 was very much this way, I have not seen a SSR15 in person yet but I strongly dislike VFC as a company so my bias is there

    I have heard the same thing as well, although there are two manufacturers of the TTI 2011 and I'm not sure which one is the 'bad' one (if not both). A new guy at our field has one and it has not broken yet, although with a CO2 mag it shoots very hot

    Sure seems that way. Never liked him to begin with but seeing the ramp up in clickbait was inevitable I guess

    This is likely the best route, KWA and Krytac are on the upper end of what I would recommend to beginners, but they do have nice features. I am still a big fan of G&G even if there are technically better choices on paper. G&P is also supposed to be a good AEG brand, even though I personally have problems with a replica others on my field do not (stay away from their pistols though).

    Personally dislike VFC and Classic Army regardless of what positives they might have. "Good externals" is not an excuse to have bad internals or a complete lack of replacement parts on the market or nonexistent customer support.
     
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  6. atsnoK

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    I would put some money on good fan goggles. This way he can enjoy the sport and not let fog stop him from. I started it the wrong way (cheap goggles that fogged up very fast) and I regret it. Should've gone for some better eye protection at first. The goggles have to be EN166 B marked. They're an expensive part of the hobby but you can't replace your eyes. Good models are Smith Optics OTW or ESS Profile Turbofan. For a gun, it doesn't really matter. You can enjoy the sport even if you own only a springer pistol. Some good starter/budget guns that are reliable are Specna Arms EDGE series guns. They'll last you a long time.
     
  7. CacheFlow

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    Sorry, thought I added the replica name...hah, long week. I have had great success with the Colt replicas; from Cybergun. My personal airsoft is a Colt Keymod Long, full metal version. I'm a huge fan.
     
  8. Guges Mk3

    Guges Mk3 Well-Known Member Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I really am afraid of our country's future if the young generation falls for so much hype.

    Propaganda is a word they need teach in school...

    I worked for Cybergun..."none of their native items are good"...except the ones I got into the line up...of coourse.

    The Nov SSR15 is a PAPER launch...do any of you know what this entails?

    Intel pulled this "crap" in the 20th century by releasing a "processor" and you can get it in 6 months, but you have to pay for it now.

    He is doing the same thing..."funding his lifestyle in Taiwan" on other peoples money.

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    Don't fall for the hype.

    Want something cool...ask for items in "existence" already...not something that is not made enmasse yet...
     
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  9. CacheFlow

    CacheFlow New Member

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    Well that's good to know. :)
     
  10. Guges Mk3

    Guges Mk3 Well-Known Member Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    They tried to reinvent physics too.

    We know how hop-up works via the Magnus effect.

    They made a prototype BAX (their term for hop-up) that tried spin the "ball" on two axial planes...so...how do you think that went? Project name was Cyclone.
     
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  11. Gimpalong

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    If you want to start your kid off right, the first step is to purchase him some appropriate ANSI z87.1 rated goggles or a paintball mask. Don't cheap out on eye-protection, he's only got two eyes and they aren't worth losing over a game. In addition, good goggles or a mask won't fog up. Fog means he won't be able to see and if he can't see he can't play and won't have a good time.

    Buy him some decent footwear - boots or something solid. Tennis shoes might be fine when the weather is dry, but it's no fun to have soggy, frozen feet.

    Regardless of what AEG you buy, you're going to need to purchase a decent charger and decent batteries. The cheap wall chargers that some guns ship with are bad, will damage your batteries in the long run and should not be used. Invest in a good LiPo battery charger like the Thunder AC6.

    [I'm going to COPY PASTA my old, usual reply to these sort of questions below]

    As far as AEGs go, tt's hard to go wrong selecting a gun provided you buy a reasonably priced AEG from a mainstream company.

    For example,

    Tokyo Marui
    Classic Army
    G&P
    G&G
    VFC
    King Arms
    Ares
    KWA
    ICS

    Guns from the above companies should work well straight out of the box and shouldn't require any fixes.

    Other "clone," "All China Made" (ACM) or low-price companies like

    JG
    Dboys
    Cyma
    A&K

    make products that range vastly in quality and may often need a tune-up straight out of the box. I wouldn't recommend them for a first gun unless you're willing to do some work to get them skirmish worthy. I'm not saying these guns are terrible; they're not, but they are, generally, of lesser quality than the AEGs produced by the "mainstream" companies.

    Now you'll probably get a lot of opinions about which companies are best/worst, which companies build the most reliable rifles, etc. That said, what you should do is settle on a particular rifle model (M4, M16, AK, G36, P90, etc) and then conduct some research to determine which company makes a reliable version of that model at a price point that you can afford.

    For example, if you're interested in a G36, then you've got a variety of companies that you can look at including:

    Tokyo Marui
    Classic Army
    Ares
    JG
    SRC

    These companies produce G36s of varying quality at different price points and with different features.

    So you've got to take some time and look at each company's G36 offering and determine which is best for you based on how much money you've got and other considerations like reliability.

    In addition, as you delve into the gun buying process, you'll soon be overtaken by the urge to buy extra magazines and some sort of loading bearing kit or plate carrier.

    RESIST this urge.

    Remember, all you need to play is GOOD EYE PROTECTION, a gun, a high capacity magazine, batteries, batter charger and decent footwear.

    Once you've got a gun, play a few games and figure out what works for you before making a big investment.

    In my opinion, if you've got a $400 budget, it's far better to spend the majority of that money on a rifle, spare batteries and eye protection than dilute it in order to buy extra magazines and the equipment to carry it.

    Good luck!
     
  12. Dodgerblu

    Dodgerblu New Member

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    Thanks for all the reply’s. Didn’t even think about the safety gear.
     
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  13. RMG

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    Dodgerblu, If you haven't decided on a rifle yet I have a suggestion for you. I found a store that is blowing out Adaptive Arms rifles for $139.99 shipped! Regular price any place that sells them is $245. The AA rifles have all the current components found on most of the better rifles. V2 Gearbox, metal hop chamber with rotary hop adjustment, steel 6.03 barrel that is also plated, Mosfet, Ambi controls, Deans connectors, etc., etc. You can read about the rifles at the Adaptive Armament website.

    When this rifle was first released in 2018 it came with a polymer hop chamber and older style side wheel hop adjustment. It also came with mini-Tamiya connectors. I was really happy to see that AA has updated the rifle and as I said above, mine came with Deans connectors and a metal rotory adjust hop chamber.

    I was a little skeptical about the super low price being a scam but I received my AA Scout model today and the rifle is new and in perfect condition. Took 4-days to arrive from order date to my door and it came all the way across the country.

    This blowout deal is at G.I. Sportz right now!

    This might be just what you are looking for???
     
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  14. Ben3721

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    https://shop.gisportz.com/products/81402
    And
    https://shop.gisportz.com/products/81401?variant=17319547240494

    This one? There are two other versions too. Oddly enough it has a quick attach point like the ssr15 lol right at the same spot. And with a m lock rail.

    So a rifle at that price break, you could theoretically throw 100-150 bucks at it of parts, 50 bucks to a tech for the work and you could have a similar performance to that 500 dollar ssr15. Thats how overpriced that thing is.

    Here's the gun on evike for full price but with more info
    https://www.evike.com/products/81771/

    • Aluminum alloy receiver set with laser engraved trademarks
    • 10" aluminum M-LOK handguard allows for easy addition of accessories,
    • Inline programmable MOSFET with ROF adjustment, micro switch trigger provides immediate trigger response
    • Collapsible low profile PDW style stock
    • Full length top rail is ideal for mounting optics and other accessories
    • Aluminum barrel assemble with steel tightbore inner barrel
    • Ambidextrous fire controls
    • Includes polymer front and rear back-up sights
    That's a steal.

    Edit: I might have bought one... a second m4 at that price never hurts to have around.
     
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  15. yrutimid

    yrutimid Active Member

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    im gonna guess that its not quick change. man if it was i would actually cop one
     
  16. Ben3721

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    These things.
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  17. yrutimid

    yrutimid Active Member

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    Lol i meant quick change spring. Hmm. A lower priced brand that has better lower than most. Im intrigued.
     
  18. RMG

    RMG New Member

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    I bought the 'Scout' model with a 397mm barrel. No barrel wobble and everything is well fit and smooth. I haven't checked yet, but I believe the spring can be changed without opening the gearbox. Just not a true 'quick change' through the rear of the upper.

    I bought this to build a DMR. Like what was mentioned above, at $140 shipped there is plenty of value toward adding options without putting too much cash into it.
     
  19. Guges Mk3

    Guges Mk3 Well-Known Member Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    139.00 and a MOSFET...it's made by Ares...that is on par for their product.

    And barrel wobble is a thing of the past...like 16 years ago in the past...
     
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  20. yrutimid

    yrutimid Active Member

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    If it can, plz send me a pm. im sick of putting my G&G gearbox back together. Its a nightmare.