difference in torque vs high speed

Discussion in 'Gun Building, Modifications & Repairs' started by certlife, Jan 5, 2013.

  1. certlife

    certlife New Member

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    I have a g&g m4 and i am looking yo upgrade motors and spring and all of the above. Can someone help me along i have been doing alot of research and i figured a 120 spring and motor might be good.
     
  2. Flocktime

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    Get the HT, you don't have the right gear set for a HS motor. You also need a new gear set to to with the m120 and the HT motor. 16:1 or 18:1 lonex gears will be good. If we are talking the G&G Combat Machine then yes.
     

  3. certlife

    certlife New Member

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    So the difference in torque and high speed is
     
  4. Zardichar

    Zardichar New Member Supporting Member

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    High torque motors have more torque than high speed... high speed motors are used in high rps setups, which require different gears, torque is used in high fps setups.
    There are much better upgrades that you can do for your gun besides motor and spring.
     
  5. Flocktime

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    In the G&G CM its downfall is its crappy motor so yes he needs a new motor ASAP. The spring can wait. He can do hop up/range mods:
    R-Hop
    M nub
    TBB 6.03
    .25 bbs
    New bucking
     
  6. Lefse

    Lefse Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    High speed motors have actually become kinda obsolete now that we have high torque motors with neo magnets that have a ridiculous mount of torque and can pull heavy springs on super high speed gears. High torque motors are actually better for high speed, they will give a much better trigger response and have a much lower power consumption. You simply compensate for their lower speed with lower gear ratio.

    500fps at 45rps would be considered insane a few years ago, now it's not even that difficult with the latest generation high torque motors and high speed gears.
     
  7. certlife

    certlife New Member

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    Awesome. I have a another question. What kinda of barrel should i get
     
  8. CoppertopNeasg

    CoppertopNeasg New Member

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    What's your budget and have you done your hop up unit yet?
     
  9. theonlyBuster

    theonlyBuster Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Prometheus if you have the funds, Madbull if you're budget building.
     
  10. Star_folder

    Star_folder Active Member

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    Since when do motors require specific gear sets?
     
  11. certlife

    certlife New Member

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    Not really on a budget. And the gun is still stock. I just ordered the motor today. I am wanting to add a silencer to the gun for the look so i will need a longer barrel
     
  12. CoppertopNeasg

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    They never have... I see no reason why a high speed motor should ever be used when high torque motors can produce much better results when stronger springs and short stroking is used.
     
  13. Flocktime

    Flocktime New Member

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    Nice job repeating what Nortech said, takes skill.
    Get the prommy if you can.
     
  14. certlife

    certlife New Member

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    So back to the question. I have have to upgrade rhe hop-up when i upgrade rhe barrel
     
  15. CoppertopNeasg

    CoppertopNeasg New Member

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    It is not a 100% necessity but you will get a much bigger performance increase if you upgrade to rhop first.
     
  16. theonlyBuster

    theonlyBuster Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Actually it would make more sense to upgrade the barrel THEN do the hop-up modification. But yes, I will agree that the Rhop isn't absolutely necessary.
    I personally like the simpler mods such as the floss mod.
     
  17. CoppertopNeasg

    CoppertopNeasg New Member

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    You are so completely wrong it is not even funny. It is a widely accepted fact the hop up unit should be upgraded. If you think that the floss mod performance increase compared to the performance increase of rhop or one of its variants when installed correctly and MNub used then you have never used a gun with a properly installed rhop unit.
     
  18. Axis

    Axis Active Member Supporting Member

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    You may want to install a flat hop instead of a R-Hop first. Installing a R-Hop is extremely difficult for some, so if you install a flat hop you could get a feel for installing a R-Hop, if you see what I'm saying.
     
  19. CoppertopNeasg

    CoppertopNeasg New Member

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    I actually didn't repeat what Nortech said. I gave my personal opinion on high torque motors and why they are better. I see nothing in Nortech's post about stronger springs being used in conjunction with short stroking. I do however see Nortech state that high tourque motors can pull strong springs on high speed gears. Maybe you should brush up on your reading comprehension skills.
     
  20. Star_folder

    Star_folder Active Member

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    You people forget, that if you install an r-hop, and then install a new barrel, you'll need to reinstall your r-hop. Buster had a point with that. It would be better to replace the barrel first, and then install an r-hop.