Differences between casual airsoft, and mil-sim airsoft

Discussion in 'General Airsoft Discussion' started by Shiftyshooter, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. Shiftyshooter

    Shiftyshooter Learn from your mistakes. Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes, you do use airsoft guns for both, but there still is a huge difference.

    I decided to write this article because I frequently see airsofters saying that they love mil-sim, later, when describing the supposedly mil-sim scenario, it turns out it was just another paintball style airsoft battle. People used high capacity magazines and poured thousands of bbs around the area.

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    I am only going to use terms “competitive airsofters” in a descriptive way for lack of better words, not in any derogatory way.

    What is airsoft?
    Technically speaking, airsoft is a game where participants shoot each other with weapon replicas using gas or air to propel 6 or 8 mm bbs (ball bearings) made out of plastic. I am not going to talk about its history, since you can find that anywhere on the internet.

    There are basic rules, but mostly, airsoft is a competition sport, unlike mil-sim, which is strictly scenario based.

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    Mil-sim, shortcut for military simulation, as its name implies, is a type of game where there are real military strategies used, usually incorporates machinery, scenario, airsoft teams that study and simulate real units and armies and medium to low capacity magazines.

    A mil-sim operation usually is for a large number of players who take part in given objectives and try to reach then using good teamwork, co-operation with other units and support.

    In mil-sim scenarios there are at least two sides taking part in the conflict and both try to reach their own objectives, unlike competitive airsoft where one side usually attacks and the other defends. In mil-sim shooting is not the only option. There can be kidnapping, negotiation, special mid-night operations, etc. People kidnapped (and this is a scenario I have experienced myself) can even be forced to water boarding and other forms of torture under the surveillance of a trained doctor (it was part of the scenario and people willing to go through that had a special card with them which, when found by the captor, gave them a special right to SLIGHTLY torture the prisoner), which is, in a way a great experience.

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    I highly doubt that this would ever happen in competitive airsoft.

    It is very likely that during a mil-sim scenario, you will not see bb sprayers. As you are given only a certain amount of ammo for the whole game, you cannot afford to spray senselessly.

    Mil-sim airsofters are usually people dedicated to what they do and in many cases soldiers or former soldiers. Most of those people have sunk more money into their equipment then some people in their cars. I can guarantee that most competitive airsofters would not stand a chance against mil-sim airsofters.

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    Competitive airsofters mostly rely on having more ammo in their high capacity magazines than others. Mil-sim airsofters rely on their team members and mates.

    Mil-sim airsoft is not about competition, about shooting at other people, it is about co-operation, about simulation of something you will not experience every day, it is about being part of something extraordinary, friendship, and the memories. I mean, what could be better than to go to an assault sitting on the hull of a BMP.

    During a mil-sim game, you do everything in-game. Eating, bathroom, sleeping, etc. There are no breaks.

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    So, I guess, there are the main differences between competitive airsoft and mil-sim airsoft.
     
  2. Grudge

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    That is a nice, basic, overview.
     

  3. mitchums

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    this actually sounds like alot of fun.
    i wish i had the time, money, and a place to play in games like this
     
  4. Remoon101

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    Good basic summary of the two
     
  5. McGee

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    Here's a necro-post, since the request for anyone's / other people opinions and thought on the definition thread was closed.

    Does wearing an accurate loadout of some real life military unit make a game 'milsim'?
    Does milsim require a pre-determined script for how the events will take place?
    Are role-players necessary for milsim?
    Can people use hi-caps and still experience a milsim game?
    If you are on a team, and go to an event and use radios and tactics, is this a milsim game?
     
  6. Shiftyshooter

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    Generally, if you are going to a mil-sim event, an accurate load out is not absolutely necessary. It is, however, looked upon favorably if you do. Many people still decide not to and nobody can make them wear what they should.
    Mil-sim has certain limits and boundaries which can change, to an amount.
    Yes, role-play is a big chunk of mil-sim in our games, as people get to be treated by doctors if they get, for example, shot in their arm, etc. But then again, nobody is going to look down at you if you do not follow this. It is more of a bonus for the other players. It makes the event look better. Just look at regular airsofters, who just shout out "Hit" in the middle of a fire fight and walk away. What happens during some mil-sim events is this:
    One of the players get shot in the stomach. As soon as he gets hit, he starts screaming and begging for help. Members of his team will send out a medic and start a defensive barrage. The fire fight gets more intense as the medic is pulling the wounded guy behind him and has twelve other people frenetically shooting at each other and still trying to get the medic away from the hot spot.
    No, people cannot use high capacity magazines during mil-sim events.
    Well, that depends on how much they do of each.

    The reason I closed your thread was that I would like to keep the general knowledge of mil-sim in one tight space and in as little threads as possible. So that people do not need to search for hours through the boards.
     
  7. GunsnBones

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    Nice overview Shifty! :)
     
  8. McGee

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    Copy that.

    I'm about to leave for a 3-day Cimmerian event in NV. Insert at night, etc.

    I'd like to start a discussion about milsim when I get back next week. There are different ways to go about it. Basically, people draw the lines in different places and I'd like to hear how it works for them.
     
  9. Urban_ART

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    Great way to explain the difference between the two.
     
  10. TriadAirsoft

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    love it good description, I wish I could go to a mil-sim event, but I'm not old enough :(
     
  11. Shiftyshooter

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    Alright go ahead, feel free to create a thread about this, but make sure that I would like to have only valuable information in that as well. We can cross-link the two threads afterward.
     
  12. ArielNechemia

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    Operation Irene has breaks.
     
  13. schueller

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    That's.. neat. thanks..? ^
     
  14. spazzticsmurff

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    most of the l.c.m.s.s. games have breaks, but only after 4-6hrs of constant play.
    at LCXI i didnt gear down till after 9pm when we were supped to start at 9am.
    length of game time as well as the objectives is a factor but as well you will find that one of the other big factors is the ammount of people that be at an organized mil-sim game, at LCXI there were over 700 people in attendance as well as the use of real life military vehicals there were no quick games than break so that you can reload and do other stuff, you carry everything you think you might need and do everything as you have time between fire fights or when your dead.
     
  15. Shiftyshooter

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    Personally, I think that breaks are not very good for such scenarios. They tend to break the mood of the game.
     
  16. BRTSoloWing

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    Got a question about the high caps? What if your rifle can only use high caps(like my JLS FN2000)? Will you still be able to play in these invents?
     
  17. The Fox

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    Hm, I would just like to suggest using a different word for 'competitive' as I dislike the term. Unless its a specific tournament then airsoft is never and cannot ever be competitive. Its a gentlemens game.
     
  18. Shiftyshooter

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    I explained what I meant and I used the word for lack of better ones. Casual would be the best one. Let the thread title change.
     
  19. Grudge

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    Just so that people know, this is not a black and white boundry. I've played in many casual games that had a ton of Milsim elements, but did not follow the stricter rules governing most full Milsim scenarios.

    This whole thing has a large grey area inbetween the two extremes: the "run and gun, with unlimited ammo" games and the "Eat, sleep and crap everything military and only fire three shots, maybe" games!
     
  20. Protectionperfection

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    There are also different levels of MilSim from my experience. There are MilSim ops like Lions claw and then there are local MilSim games. They both follow the MilSim rules but the local games do not have the dame turnout so some of the rules need to be bent a little bit to ad hear to the attendance. Red Storm is a great MilSim OP and anything Lions Claw puts out is great as well. There are local fields around here that MilSim teams run "MilSim" games on but they are not up to the intensity of the true MilSim games.

    As far as competitive airsoft term goes, I agree with it being a good term. Even though it is a gentlemans game, do you not still compete to win? There is always an objective to accomplish and those who complete it first win. Not all players are competitive no, but they are also the ones to basically just tag along to play and come in when there is no danger. I have played with many of those types of players and they honestly just are there to say they played and brag about how many kills they got even though they were never in a firefight. I had a walk on and his friend on my side (I was XO) and one of the kids literally fired 18 shots in 3 hours because eh hid behind bunkers and trees doing nothing but watching. About 4-6 of them were just shooting nothing before the match started. His friend unloaded 2 highcaps and one of my Pmags just spraying for guys that were 150+ft away. Not saying they are the only kind but those are some of the kinds of players youll find in a competitive airsoft game but never in a milsim game.

    In a true MilSim game there are no breaks unless injury. You eat, sleep, and play all at the same time. If your squad needs rest you set up a watch and have some members awake while others sleep and then switch after some time.
    In local MilSim games, you dont get as many breaks as you would in a competitive game but you still get a break for lunch and things of that nature.

    MilSim ops always have multiple scenarios that change pending the outcome of the objective. there are always at least 2 options so that depending on which side completes the objective, the scenario keeps flowing with that.
    Local MilSim games are more skit and timeline based.

    Those have been my experiences with MilSim and competitive airsoft.