DMR/Sniper + 2ndary build (gear/teching questions)

(feel free to skip the intro and down to the bolt action section, your not missing much) I guess I'll put this here. As many of you know I have temporarily gotten out of airsoft. Multiple injuries/surgeries have sidelined me for a while, but I hope to be back in a couple months (fingers crossed).

In my few years of airsofting I've "wasted" a lot of money on stuff I never even used. I've probably had 15 AEGs and I've only actually used half of them at an actual field. And half of those only got used once. I want to make weapon system that suits my style and that isn't simply an impulse buy because something looked cool XD.

My style of play is typically based on stealth. I like sneaking around whether its hiding in a bush for an hour, or crawling a half mile through long grass and thorns to flank the enemy. If I choose, I can definitely become a true sniper, rather than "a guy with a sniper rifle".

MED at my field is 100yards for anything over 400fps, and limit is 550fps I believe. I can definitely push that 550 and utilize heavy weight bbs. If I go bolt action, I would definitely want to have a backup AEG both for a secondary weapon, and a primary weapon when called for (some rounds at my field would not be as suitable for a sniper). So we'll get to the backup gun in a bit. First lets talk primary weapon.

Bolt action

JG Bar 10 makes the most sense here. I've had one before, and I wouldn't mind getting another one to upgrade. A year ago I would have gone all PDI parts behind the hop up, but the new Wolverine bolt is tempting. For $500 I can have Bar 10 with fully installed Bolt and Co2 system contained within the gun. Add anther $100+ for hop up/barrel.

I've never seen or used a Bolt in person, and I don't know the pros and cons of the Co2 system. Any advice there would be appreciated. Obviously price is more expensive than standard upgrade parts, but the pros are an extremely reliable, and adaptable system, that doesn't have a 550fps spring behind the bolt making follow up shots easy (I have trouble just pulling the bolt back once on a Bar 10 at 550fps~ lol).

After deciding between spring powered, and HPA/CO2, the next question is a backup AEG. This is a tricky one. My preferred gun would be a TM MP7 AEP, but the FPS is a problem. I need something with a little more authority. My ideas so far. Weight isn't a concern, but size and how easily it can be slung/carried are important. Its important it have some sort of stock, whether fixed, collapsible, or folding. This is another one I'd really appreciate help. What guns would be easily carried around the field all day? Any methods?

Three guns I've seen are
TM aug high cycle
VFC MP5a5 (smallest)
EF UMP (because its fun to say UMP)

Let me know what you guys think. Any information regarding sniping whether gear or gun related. If I have time I will follow up with a DMR post if I choose a semi auto gun.

 

Thanks! I forgot about Mancraft, but I'll have to look into them. IIRC they can be a little cheaper than the Bolt. L96 is preferred over VSR10 so that would be cool.

Edit, went to their website, and is it really only <$300 shipped with regulator and Co2 adapter? Price seems very good.

Also, for backup I really like the looks of a TM MP5a5 (retractable stock).

 

Mancraft definitely seems cheaper from what I can tell. About $300 or less shipped. I don't know a lot about the system, so would it be worth it over the bolt? Its purely mechanical (no battery) which is a plus, but ordering from Poland I believe makes me a little nervous. If there's a problem it would be much easier to deal with for the Bolt.

So I'm leaning towards bolt. Evike has a preorder for a JG Bar 10 with Bolt co2 installed for $500 which is a pretty good deal IMO. I'll research the mancraft more before a final decision.

Secondary gun. I've looked around, and I think I will either go with a TM MP5a5 (great prices from Echigoya), or possibly a custom M4 (requires more research).

The big question is how do I carry my secondary weapon, and switch quickly between the two? I figure that when I'm on the move it would make sense to sling the sniper rifle, and carry the AEG. But then what do I do with something like an MP5 when I start sniping? It would be awkward having two guns with slings and have to remove the sling to use the weapon.

 

Awesome info! I'm definitely very interested in the Mancraft then and I'll look into it more this evening. I would probably look at buying everything from their website to guarantee proper fitment. IIRC everything except the line cost less than $300 shipped. L96 is cool as well .

Just need to figure out how to properly carry two guns. I'm probably going to check over in the 1Q1A gear thread.

BTW, what L96 are you running? IIRC Well and UTG are the two most common, but its been a little while since I've researched sniper rifles.

 

Nice man! Sound very similar to what I'd do. I'll update once I've done more research and decided for sure on primary and backup weapons. I definitely like the BASR route with a good secondary gun.

 

Alright y'all. Decisions have been made... After lengthy deliberations, I've decided to go a different direction than I originally planned, and I'm looking at a JG Bar 10 G-spec and a TM MP7 backup .

I'm also going to hold off on HPA system for the moment, and upgrade the setup using AA/PDI. It will be more cost affective for me now, and will make a great platform if I want to switch to HPA in the future.

(If I go HPA/Co2 later I'm sold on the mancraft, but would go with the Wraith Co2 conversion and Storm on tank regulator. The Wraith conversion seems to be a much better option as it has an expansion chamber which really helps with the consistency of Co2.)

For now the setup would be JG Bar 10 (g-spec) with AA cylinder kit (Teflon), AA zero trigger, AA spring guide, AA hop up, PDI/Laylax barrel (spring rated to 500+fps. There will be a few mods such as a port cover to protect the Teflon coated cylinder and R-hop (need to look into bucking options).

I should be able to keep all that under $600, and as stated can easily convert to HPA later with a nice trigger, cylinder and hopup/barrel assembly already installed.

Backup gun will be a TM MP7. I'll run both weapons with a 2-point sling (will look into something like a 2 and 1 point magpul sling for the AEP) on both weapons. I have some ideas for running the sling on the Bar 10 so that I can secure it to the weapon when I'm in sniper mode so I don't have the sling getting in my way.

 

Remember that Bar 10 I mentioned I used to own? Well its coming home. Found it on the classefieds and bought it back . Welp, I'm committed to a BASR. The gun already has most of the upgrades I need. It'll just need one or two parts and some tuning.

Now I'm deciding on my backup gun, which I'm hoping to be a bit of a project gun to keep me occupied in the near future. I'll also need to consider my loadout and what gear I'm running, so expect more updates soon.

Edit/ I'm 99.9% set on a TM MP5. I'll run it on my back with a short mag, and I'll probably drop the adjustable stock to make it even more compact. Tyr tactical makes a 5x MP5 pouch I'll throw onto the front of my PC.

What pouches are best for the VSR mags? I'll have one in the gun and two spares. They'd probably both in a m4 mag pouch? If I want to run a spare mag on my belt what might be a good pouch that would only hold one but securely? And same for the MP5. I need a single or possibly double (wide not stacked) that'll hole a shorty MP5 mag on my belt. I may not run my Mayflower APC every round and it would be nice to have some spare ammo on my belt.

 

Right, quick update. Rifle has been purchased as stated and I've purchased all the upgrade parts. The gun already has an AA hop up, Laylax barrel, and AA zero trigger. I purchased an AA cylinder kit, spring guide, and a M170 spring (cut down if needed). And for externals I bought a barrel cap, and a G spec bolt handle (gun is a standard Bar 10 so the bolt handle gets in the way of the scope).

I sold my KSC G19 (lack of aftermarket and replacements meaning I was not comfortable using it for more than target practice), and for now I'm going to be purchasing a nice handgun as a backup. Its the cheapest option and makes sense to have something very small that can be holstered. And in the long run I should be afford another AEG to run for matches when I'm not sniping.

Deciding between a TM G17 (GBB) and a TM Hi-capa. As soon as I pick up the VSR I'll post pictures. Bought a few pouches, so I'll throw some pictures of my loadout up soon.

I do need the last question answered about what pouches y'all run your spare mags in, specifically if I put one or two on a belt. Thanks

 

Thanks, for the moment I'm planning on just running a pistol as a backup, and I'll be using Esstac KYWIs for those mags. I did see the TACOs as a good option for a lot of SMG mags. Any idea on how to run BAR10/VSR mags? I'll stuff one or two in an m4 pouch on my PC, but I'm looking for something low profile I can put on my belt that'll hold a VSR mag securely.

Thanks.