Featured DSG Build Questions.....

Not a good start...... This was the original gearbox with a M120 on it. Was putting the gear box together, then saw this when I went to put the spring in. Lucky I saw it. What if it broke while I had it out doing first test shots with a M170 behind it. Cheap *** pot metal. If the spring guide broke before I even put the M170 in, what is a M170 going to do to the front of the gearbox. They make a steel end cap to replace it. I'm going to order that to put in my 12:1 M120 gun since it was a M120 that broke this one. Lucky Retro Arms has VFC Avalon 7075 CNC billet Aluminum ones in stock right now. Ordering one now, and hoping it is not stuck in customs for a month like something else I ordered from across the pond.

 

Well when I went to swap the DSG gearbox with the current SSG, I saw this... Guess they had so many problems they changed to a steel guide. That is a relief.

I got it put together. It feeds fine in the test shots, need to test it some more though. My FPS is way way way way way way higher than I thought though. I getting 380FPS with .25s bbs. I got an M170 spring, and I cut almost 2 coils off of it. I heated and flattened it, then grinded it flat. It sounds great so far. Feeding and FPS seem to work fine. Did not think I would be that high in the FPS range though. Can I put a lighter spring in there? Its not a 60 RPS gun. Going to use either the AGS 22k 22TPA motor, or the 28TPA 18K motor.

 

First DSG build, Not sure how much using heavy spring has to do with FPS vs PME. If I use a lighter spring It could have higher RPS, will that lead to PME? I need to drop 50FPS. I need to be at 330FPS with .25 bbs. Will a M160 be 50-60 FPS lower than an M170 I cut 2 coils off of?

 

Also, don't know if this makes a difference or not. I put the spring in a gearbox and pre cocked it for almost a week. Don't know if that is enough time for it to settle or not. I've left my guns pre cocked for over a month with no FPS loss. They do drop a bit from new though.

 

Using ASG motors, mainly to justify building the DSG to start with. "Well, I got the motors and gears laying around, also a gearbox." I've got well over a million shots combined on the ASG motors I've used without ever having a problem. I've used SHS, Lonex, and ZCI motors as well. Had these laying around, they seem dependable....

Why do you eat the same thing every time you go to a restaurant? The other food might be better. Its the same kind of thing I guess. I bought those motors for semi only guns. Did not need fast motors, just some torque. I buy most all my parts from one place and the other options they had in stock did not suite me well. I'm not an ASG fanboy or anything. Since then, I've used them multiple times with the results I expected and wanted.

 

Well something is wrong. The gun sounds good. It is super quiet, gearbox wise. It does not sound like it it struggling at all. All you hear is that DSG crack out the end of the barrel. Problem is, I'm only getting 15 RPS in full auto, lol. Gears were smooth and spun freely with little resistance. Maybe my bevel to pinion? The motor is 18K motor ASG, but I got 17-20 RPS with SSG. Spring just to heavy? It was labeled M170, and I cut 2 coils off. Im getting like 380 FPS with .25s. Just weird that it sounds normal. I ordered the Retro Arms VFC gearbox yesterday. Crazy the tracking says it will be here Monday. So I'm going to take it apart and swap over anyway. What should I look for?

Worlds slowest DSG, YES! I did it.

 

I'm using a Gate Titan, just had a selector switch error. I cleared that. Tried different batteries. I could try another motor. Ill video it after work.

 

So, I'm guessing It is a battery/spring issue. I misread my battery. Only 35 amps max output. Sold my other batteries to guns I worked on. They were only 45 amp batteries anyway. Don't think that is enough, lol. I'm pulling a M170 spring, I did cut 2 coils off but I need to drop about 50-60 FPS. Going to get a M160 instead. The motor I have is 28TPA 18k RPM. That is pretty slow. Add all that up and you get about 17RPS in a DSG. Getting the Retro Arms gearbox. It will be here this coming up week. Ill have to order a M160 spring. Found a battery 2400mAh 30/50C that will fit my stock. That is 72 amps. That should be fine? Going to put the 22TPA 22k motor in it as well. Its 16:1 8 tooth, don't need the 28TPA really.