Echo-1 Stag-15 Upgrading

Discussion in 'Gun Building, Modifications & Repairs' started by BlueReaper46, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. BlueReaper46

    BlueReaper46 New Member

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    This past summer I bought this gun:

    http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=2366

    And I have loved airsoft ever since. I have been really wanting to start upgrading my gun, as teching is extremely intriguing(I love to build things...).

    I have been trying to do research, and thought it time to make a thread requesting some assistance. I want to replace pretty much everything with higher/highest quality parts, to make my gun more durable and better in the field. I am also going to add a few external pieces and need a little help with them(I do not know the quality of most, and want good quality).

    Here are the parts I have, and the parts I need assistance with. I have no budget, as I will add parts over time unless I have to get certain things at the same time. If I should get a different part, please notify me. I plan on not running LiPo for now, and using an 8.4v or 9.6v battery.

    Internals
    Motor: http://hivemindairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_68_72&products_id=191

    Piston: http://hivemindairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_68_69&products_id=187

    Air Nozzle: http://clandestineairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6_14&products_id=137

    Spring: One of these 2(Field Limit is 400 with .2)-
    http://clandestineairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6_7&products_id=11
    http://clandestineairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6_7&products_id=12

    IR-Hop- http://clandestineairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_41_42&products_id=255

    Spring Guide: http://clandestineairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6_13&products_id=86

    Barrel: I want to add a ~6.325 in. mock suppressor, and if the original length is 363mm, I have about 523mm to work with.
    http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=31_55_600&products_id=1231

    Internals I need help with​

    1-Piece Hop-Up(I want to upgrade to a metal body)
    Bucking
    Gears(Whats a good ratio? I think SHS is one of the better brands, I just dont understand the ratios and what different ones will do)
    Cylinder and Cylinder Head
    Gearbox(If I need a new shell, not sure of quality of stock one)
    Nub
    Piston Head

    Anything I missed? I am sure there is something I do not have listed but should upgrade.

    Externals

    http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_138&products_id=2367

    http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=6696

    http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=508_306&products_id=3753

    Externals I need help with​

    Metal Body(I do not know the quality of the metal in certain ones, heres what I had been looking at: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_110&products_id=5773)
    Crane Stock(Would prefer metal if possible, if not, very good quality ABS, as long as I can put a battery in it, as the gun is wired to the rear for the battery)
    Suppressor(~6.325 in.)
    ACOG Sight(Not much zoom, preferably no batteries required)

    This is what I am going for externally:
     

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  2. Archer627

    Archer627 New Member

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    Internals:

    1)Piston, Spring Guide, Barrel, Nozzle, Motor, and IR Hop are all good.

    2)Stay away from SHS springs. It's hard to predict the FPS you will get out of them. Modify, PDI, Guarder, and Madbull have good springs.

    3)Lonex Hop Up Chambers are amazingly good.

    4)Gear wise, stay away from SHS for the time being. They have had some really bad QC problems. CORE gears are the new kids on the block and appear to be well worth it. SPAZZ on ASM sells them. 13:1 ratio gears are a high speed ratio. It will improve your rate of fire and trigger response. 18:1 is the stock ratio in most guns. It is good for most builds. 16:1s are a mix between both. Improved trigger response and speed. Choose whichever you like, but for a normal build like this, 16:1s would be fine. Heck, a set of Lonex 16:1s would be your best bet. They're good gears.

    5)Lonex buckings work well with the R hops. Grab an M nub while you are at it.

    6)If you want a new gearbox shell, Lonex shells are virtually indestructable. It will come with 8mm bearings and a new tappet plate.

    7)Piston head wise, grab a Lonex or Element Piston head. Both should be made of POM (the element is orange).

    8)If you decide to push up the barrel to 509mm, you will need a full cylinder if your gun doesn't already have one. Your stock cylinder head is fine.

    9)Don't forget shims, grease, wires, Deans plugs (sometimes called T Plugs), and a MOSFET if you want.

    Externals:

    1)Get a madbull metal body. Exquisite finish on all of them.

    2)G&P Crane Stock w/ buffer tube (On sale) LINKAGE -- CLICK HERE

    3)Madbull Suppressors are great

    4)Not sure what to say on the ACOG. You could go with an AIM Sports ACOG-esque scope, though.

    5)Yay! MagPul! :p
     

  3. Thestig

    Thestig Some say... Supporting Member

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    I agree with all of this, except I personally would use a 455mm barrel. That extra 50mm helps a little, but not a ton.

    For gears, try to find XYT. Those almost never go wrong.

    Externals wise, go with Madbull. They are great usually, and licensed, so you get the cool trades.

    Are you going with genuine or ACM Magpul?
     
  4. Archer627

    Archer627 New Member

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    Eh, XYTs are good, but they are too slow. Lol. They're only 18:1 ratio gears. Trigger response can be kind of sluggish at that. 455mm is the sweet spot for barrels. :p
     
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    I guess with the A1, and a good Lipo, and the XYTs it would be an okay trigger response, better than stock, but yea, ideally best would be a set of Seigtech gears. The 10.44 ratio ones. But that is extreme. I still stand behind XYT, but there is more than one way to skin a cat.
     
  6. Finalencounter

    Finalencounter Duke of Penguins Supporting Member

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    Replied in red.

    Of course, Archer comes like a hero...
    IMO, I don't like XYT gears. Mine stripped in under a year while they were properly shimmed and running the stock spring.
     
  7. BlueReaper46

    BlueReaper46 New Member

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    What is the difference?

    So here is what I found for some of the parts I needed help with:

    Spring: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=31_51_606&products_id=1071

    Hop-Up Unit: http://clandestineairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_41_43&products_id=261

    Gears: http://clandestineairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6_30_38&products_id=222

    Piston Head: http://clandestineairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6_20&products_id=143

    Nub: http://clandestineairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_41_42&products_id=256

    Gearbox Shell: (Would I be fine with upgrading this later on?) http://clandestineairsoft.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6_35&products_id=141

    Barrel question, I believe any AEG barrel will fit the hop-up, but I want to be sure. The 455mm barrels on ASGI say for AK, is that just the AK stock length, and it will fit the M4 hop-up? and if I get a 455mm barrel, what cylinder should I get?

    Would either of these buckings work, and would one be a better choice?
    http://clandestineairsoft.com/index..._41_46&sort=20a&filter_id=8&alpha_filter_id=0

    Should I get new bushings if I dont plan on getting the new gearbox yet?

    Will the hop-up unit be fine in the plastic body until I buy a metal one?

    I will not be buying everything at once, though most purchases will be within 2-3 months of each other, before I start playing heavily.
     
  8. Thestig

    Thestig Some say... Supporting Member

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    ACM aren't as nice of a plastic as the real Magpul.

    Those parts look good. You get the Stig Seal of Approval.

    455 is the perfect barrel for range builds IMO. Full cylinder should work best.

    PM me about the stock though. I might have an offer for you.
     
  9. BlueReaper46

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  11. Archer627

    Archer627 New Member

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    Lonex buckings are great. As are Guarder and Prommy purples.
     
  12. BlueReaper46

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    Soft or hard? I know soft is for lower FPS and hard is for higher FPS, but I dont know where the threshold is between them.
     
  13. Archer627

    Archer627 New Member

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    Go with the hard (70 is the Lonex hard).
     
  14. BlueReaper46

    BlueReaper46 New Member

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    I am having difficulty finding Lonex cylinders...

    Are shimming, correcting AoE, using sorbo, and filling the gun with foam good ways to quiet a gun? Are there any other methods that could be employed using the upgrades I have listed and these or methods of quieting?
     
  15. Col1500

    Col1500 New Member

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    I reshimmed and have sorbo in my gun and it's the quietest on my team. 40D will be quieter then 70D. Another way to quiet down your gun is to get legendary trigger response, because the less time the gearbox is moving the shorter the noise is. Also, HT motors are typically quieter than HS motors because HS motors just have some whine to then.
     
  16. Ehudakineyah

    Ehudakineyah New Member

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    Lol and some high torques have a weird whine as well lol xD it's a crazy world out there ;)
     
  17. Thestig

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    If you really want to quiet the gearbox, go to the extreme, and fit dynamat anywhere you can on the outside of the gearbox shell. It is hard to do, but plausible.
     
  18. BlueReaper46

    BlueReaper46 New Member

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    Maybe one day, any other materials I could use for now?

    The cylinder still eludes me...
     
  19. BlueReaper46

    BlueReaper46 New Member

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    Would this be able to handle an 11.1v LiPo? What would I need for that? Still can't find a freakin' cylinder...