Sorry if you think this should stay in my first thread but, that is done. I know what I am getting but, I just want to discuss which model is better. The problem with the G18 is that parts will become warn down faster than the G17 and the little pin in the back could fall out and ruin my time. The problem with 17 is the lack of full auto, but I will not be using full auto that much due to only owning 2 mags. The 17 would have less warn down parts but not as good looking as the 18. The big decision comes down to the pin. If I lose the pin I'm done. I googled the pin for replacements and did not find any. That's why I like the 17 even though the 18 is better for my needs.