KWA M4 What do you think about a

Discussion in 'Beginners Forum' started by grantw25, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. grantw25

    grantw25 New Member

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    I have a chance to buy this gun should i
     
  2. Archer627

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    Which KWA M4 is it? Honestly, I say stay away. KWA is god-awful in my opinion. Lol. (They're not really that bad, I just don't like them). They are very overpriced for what you get from them. Some flaws are as follows: a meh quality finish, stock externals are off-spec making other parts difficult to install without some modifications, the 2GX hop up yields no better results than a flat hop, the 2GX gearbox has fitment issues of some aftermarket parts without modification making upgrading difficult without replacing the gearbox shell, the stock motor is meh, and it is not able to withstand a high discharge lipo battery like their advertising claims. If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask. We (I) are happy to help you make a wise decision on your next airsoft purchase. By the way, if you're in the market for a new gun, get a Lonex M4. They're definitely the best OOTB AEG on the market as of now.
     

  3. McGee

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    If you're asking this question, my answer would be yes, get it. And don't use a lipo.
     
  4. grantw25

    grantw25 New Member

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    Ok why not .. What will happen
     
  5. Urban_ART

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    You can use a lipo actually and it works great!
     
  6. Archer627

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    Here's a better idea. Don't waste your money on it. There's better guns for cheaper. Seriously. It's a bad idea to use certain lipos on a KWA. They'll burn out the crappy motors or ruin the gearbox completely because of the crappy stock tuning.
     
  7. Urban_ART

    Urban_ART New Member

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    But with the right lipo it's great. And KWA's aren't bad.
     
  8. Archer627

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    So, I can buy a JG and make it perform better by just tuning it (not adding any new parts at all) for like $200 less than a KM4. I can make it perform better than a CQR as well for $30 less. Your argument is invalid.
     
  9. Urban_ART

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    That doesn't make KWA bad though and with tuning the JG your not just out performing KWA.
     
  10. Archer627

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    But even with labor, it's cheaper than a KWA. Isn't that a bit pathetic?
     
  11. glenlovesm4

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    Archer, you just put the thread on your back.
     
  12. Urban_ART

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    I agree on how over priced the guns are though. But that doesn't make them bad guns.
     
  13. Archer627

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    So, for how much you are getting them for, you get:

    1)Not ported solid metal piston head (can cause a vacuum effect in the cylinder)
    2)A proprietary gearbox shell which is easily cracked
    3)A weak piston (Luckily not proprietary)
    4)Meh stock shimming
    5)A weak motor
    6)A Nozzle that is proprietary
    7)The 2GX Hop system that is beat by a simple flat hop
    8)Some off-spec externals that require mods to replace
    9)Meh paint finish
    10)"Lipo-Ready" crap. LOL. It can barely take an 11.1v 15C Lipo without dying

    @sdsport -- What I mean is that it's pathetic that a gun that is that expensive won't perform that great to a gun that is cheaper. The Lonex AEGs out perform them without even touching either of their internals. The Lonex's finish is better too.
     
  14. Axis

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    -KWA-
    Gearbox Painted inside and out
    Spring guide tabs
    9mm bearings (frequently reported to fail)
    Trigger trolley stop (too thick blocks use of some gear sets)
    Trigger contact/trolley failure due to load
    Electrical (selector plate) safety
    Trigger axle to trolley height off spec (replacement trigger units won't work)
    Cylinder head retention nubs over-sized
    Gearbox "reinforcement" material over allowable width
    Flexing upper/tab failure/piston forward requirement to open
    Full floating barrel (both ends) reduces accuracy/not GB justified
    2GX bucking
    Hop chamber off spec (other bucking incompatible)
    Aluminum flat faced piston head
    Insufficient cylinder head buffer
    AOE adjustment absent
    Unported piston head
    plastic hop unit (two piece proprietary)
    Tamaya connectors (multiple in some models)
    Un-vented grip
    ferrous motor
    Grip connects to gearbox with only two screws
    Self tapping screws
    No bearings on spring guide and piston head (washers adding mass to the piston assembly)
    Springs not ground flat
    Lack of piston tooth reinforcement
    Gear axle center distances off-spec (there is a difference between fitting and on-spec)
    unshimmed from factory (new "self shimming" features)

    From Hunterseeker5 on Airsoft Mechanics.

    Now, for the Lonex M4:

    Corrected AOE out of the box
    Decent shimming out of the box
    Great internals
    Fully TM Compatible (as far as I know)
    Decent externals
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2012
  15. Archer627

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    I was just going to bring that list to here. Darn you, Axis. :p Let's add to the Lonex M4's epicness.

    -Lonex-

    No electrical safety
    Working Bolt Catch
    Near Perfect Air Seal (4-6 FPS deviation on the ones I have seen)
    Clandestine Model has a Neo Magnet Motor (lonex A1)
    Stock Piston is glass-filled nylon with 4 metal teeth
    Stock gears are strong
    Nozzle is POM air seal (IIRC. Someone want to confirm?)
    Very nice external finish
    Metal Hop Chamber
    Very Price Effective
    Really Accurate out of the box
    MILSPEC Buffer Tube
    Metal Spring Guide
    Lonex's awesome gearbox shell
    Very solid internal workings

    A few cons:

    Self-shimming spur
    Other versions have their Ferrous motors (Clandestine has the A1s, so only buy from him)
     
  16. Axis

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    IIRC you can make it to where it's not self-shimming. :eek:
     
  17. Archer627

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    Yeah, I did that to my VFC gears.