Looking for inexpensive & reliable, M4 (or similar) with RIS

Discussion in 'What Gun Should I Get?' started by Johnboy601, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. Johnboy601

    Johnboy601 New Member

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    I did already ask something similar before, but I realized later that by saying I wanted upgradeability, people thought I was talking about internals when really I meant adding scopes, lights, grips, etc. I did get some good sugestions but it seems like a ton of pretty good guns don't have a RIS and I don't want to spend $150 on a gun, then another $40 to add a RIS.

    The best I could find in my budget (under $200 for gun, battery, and charger) was this JG M4A1 SOPMOD. Not very many reviews though and I was wondering if anyone had something similar from a reputable brand and good enough internals for a starter gun. This would be my very first airsoft gun so I would like it to be a nice experience.

    Note: It doesn't have to be and M4, just don't want anything to long or heavy.
     
  2. Chow

    Chow Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    You're going to get pretty much the same answers and recommendations as you got in your other thread.

    As I talked about with my experience of JG M4's in the other thread, JG has always been good (Especially as a starter replica). The JG M4A1 that you linked would be fairly ideal for what you're looking for as far as what it comes with. It has a polymer receiver so it won't be too heavy, it's length is pretty standard, and it has RIS rails. On top of that, If you ever did want to do anything with the internals later on, you would have no problem working on it or finding parts for it because of how standard the Version 2 gearbox is. Also, Even though that particular one you linked only had 2 reviews, it doesn't mean that all JG's are like that. In other words, you will most likely get the same quality as the other JG replicas that they have listed. Take this typical JG M4 that has 83 reviews for example:
    http://www.evike.com/products/29002/

    I am curious to ask, what Battery and charger would you be looking at getting? Some Airsoft websites will over-charge (No pun intended) you on both batteries and chargers, But it just depends on the site.

    If you're wanting something that's less expensive, not an M4 and still has good reliability, I would recommend the brand Cyma for their AK replicas. However, You probably won't get as much rail space with an AK that you're wanting versus an M4 style. Also to point out, the one I have linked at the bottom is full metal and would weigh slightly more than the JG M4A1 SOPMOD (I believe it is around a 2lbs difference):
    http://www.evike.com/index.php?cPath=21_672_719&sort=6a&filter_id=70
    http://www.evike.com/products/48507/

    Also, you probably already know this, but if you do end up ordering from Evike, Be sure to use their "FREESHIP" or "FREE3Day" coupon codes to get free shipping. It will generally save about $20 or so...

    Hopefully that helped,
    Chow13
     
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  3. Johnboy601

    Johnboy601 New Member

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    Yeah that helped a ton, thanks! I'll probably check out those AKs later perhaps as a backup gun down the road.

    As for battery, should I go ahead and skip up to LiPo (and perhaps Deans connector) or wait a bit, get experience with the gun, and not void the warranty right away screwing around with connectors? I'm really not familiar enough with all the batteries to make a good decision. Same goes for the chargers needed.
     
  4. Chow

    Chow Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    No Problem,

    I forgot to mention, When most AEG's say "Lipo-Ready", it is merely a marketing term from my experience. Most of the AEG's that I have had are already "Lipo-Ready" to a certain extent. (I've run 7.4v Lipos in stock guns with no problems whatsoever, I would not however, recommend using an 11.1v unless you have a MOSFET installed first in order to protect the trigger contacts.)

    I prefer using Lipo's as I find them easier to use, store, charge, etc. However, you would need to make sure that you order a balance charger to make sure that they do not over-charge when charging them. Or make sure that they do not completely deplete whilst using them.

    With that being said, for this being your first replica, I would recommend to you to use just a 9.6v NI-MH battery and charger from Amazon and wait until you're fine with working/voiding the warranty on your replica to start using Lipo's. I know somebody that has never used Lipos, and he has had no problems whatsoever with just using a 9.6v NI-MH Battery at any field we've gone to.
    http://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-1600mAh-Butterfly-Connector-11423/dp/B001LGW32A
    http://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-Universal-Charger-Airsoft-Battery/dp/B003MXMJX8/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=11CP8WTBVVYC6JKTGTDQ

    There was somebody that posted a really good article on Lipo information a few weeks ago, but I cannot find it. I'll edit this post if I come across it later.

    Chow13
     
  5. Zaryk

    Zaryk Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    There is nothing wrong with starting out with lipos. I found using nimh batteries was a huge waste of time (in my opinion) just to get completely replaced by lipos making me reinvest in all new batteries and chargers. I would have saved a fair amount of cash if I just simply started on lipos right away.

    Stick with 7.4v (2 cell) and you will be fine. They cost at least half of what any nimh would cost you if you buy them from hobbyking.com. You can easily get one for 7-10 dollars, just be sure to select the shipping warehouse in the USA. They also have inexpensive balance chargers (around 15 bucks) that will do the trick until you decide you want to upgrade to a high quality unit that is more advanced. Also it would be a good idea to get a low voltage alarm since your new to lipos, they are very cheap (a couple dollars) and will let you know when to stop using the battery before you damage it.
     
  6. Johnboy601

    Johnboy601 New Member

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    Thanks for the links chow. As far as I can tell, any gun marketed as lipo-ready simply means the gearbox is a bit higher quality to take 9.6v Lipos. I will probably go with 7.4 lipos like Zaryk mentioned or see if I can try a few different batteries from my friends first.
     
  7. Chow

    Chow Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    By all means, It would be worth getting into Lipos and being able to gain the pros of using them. For me at least, using Lipos is a definitive example of Pros outweighing the Cons as far as batteries go. A butterfly type 7.4v Lipo from Hobbyking.com would be the way to go if you want a good, cheap and practical battery. I can (As I am sure other people would on this forum) vouch for HobbyKing.com as being one of the better places to go to buy Lipos. Just be sure to order from either the East or West Coast shipping centers on their website and Not the International shipping option. The East/West option tends to arrive faster and is not much more expensive. ("Edit" I Just realized Zaryk already mentioned the shipping centers...)

    I still cannot for the life of me find the one website that had some really good information about Lipos that I've gone to for a long time. However, Here are a few websites that have some general information regarding the use, myths, and How-To about Lipos if you so decide to use them:

    http://airsoftinsider.com/lipo-battery-myths-exposed/

    https://infectedairsoft.wordpress.com/tech-info/lithium-polymer-batteries-part-1/
    https://infectedairsoft.wordpress.com/tech-info/lithium-polymer-batteries-part-2/
    https://infectedairsoft.wordpress.com/tech-info/lithium-polymer-batteries-part-3/

    If you have anymore questions, let us know.

    Chow13
     
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