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I’m looking to upgrade my trigger in my matrix m4.(yes, noob gun) All the internals are stock as of now, I’m using 11.1 lipo batteries. Looking for faster trigger response, lighter pull weight (sorry i don’t know much terminology lol). Just trying to improve rate of fire in semi auto. not very experienced with modifying airsoft but i have some background in electronics and machining/engineering so i hope that helps.
 

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Well seems your in the right hobby with those back skills. You cant really change how hard to pull the trigger. If you feel comfortable you could install an higher end electric trigger board like a Gate. I also suggest reading about shimming a gearbox. With the 11.1 lipo you could also get a high torque motor with neodymium magnets. That would also let you use a decent m120 spring (400fps spring) with a snappy trigger. Don't go high speed it will mess with things your not ready to get into yet.

But keep in mind, shorter trigger pulls must match the cycle rate of your aeg, of the gearbox is too slow you won't be able to pull the trigger as fast as you can. I have a 4mm pull on the m4. Higher torque motors typically have faster trigger response, while high speed have faster rate of fire. Keep in mind there are also faster or slower(torque) gears, many pair a high speed gearset with a high torque motor to get really good trigger response with a decent rate of fire. Having a high speed motor with a high torque gearbox can cause crazy overspin in semi causing double shots due to the amount of weight spinning at higher speeds, while a electronic trigger board can slow down the motor right after each shot, it tends to heat the system up more.

The other option is a very complex mechanical hair trigger mod (I have a guide) but that requires a switching board (mosfet) and a lot of experience.

I recommend reading around about high speed builds and following techs on social media, you'll see quickly what others are doing to get that extra edge. Keep in mind however, airsoft parts typically are never drop in. Every brand of every part always have slight differences and it can be a pain sometimes, even same brand parts don't always work together perfectly.


Hope I didn't blab too much and hope that helps.
 

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(Snip).... With the 11.1 lipo you could also get a high torque motor with neodymium magnets. That would also let you use a decent m120 spring (400fps spring) with a snappy trigger. Don't go high speed it will mess with things your not ready to get into yet.
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Uh? That is not a true statement. Plus, I have to note. Not all LIPO are in the same performance range and not all NEO magnets are at the same rating. N28 to N52 is a very large range of strength.

Plus, you don't need a 3S LIPO to "use a decent M120".

This old video shows a 2S LIPO running a M120 at 25RPS with a High Speed Motor...so...you can get some pretty good trigger response with just a HS motor and a 2S Battery.


Go to 2 Minute Mark.
 

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Uh? That is not a true statement. Plus, I have to note. Not all LIPO are in the same performance range and not all NEO magnets are at the same rating. N28 to N52 is a very large range of strength.

Plus, you don't need a 3S LIPO to "use a decent M120".

This old video shows a 2S LIPO running a M120 at 25RPS with a High Speed Motor...so...you can get some pretty good trigger response with just a HS motor and a 2S Battery.


Go to 2 Minute Mark.
I was trying to keep it simple for him. I didn't want to go through everything with different discharge ratings or different tpa motors, a 3 cell lipo is a simple change most can do to get a faster trigger response with a decent motor.

I'm aware a m120 isn't super hard to cycle, but a stock non-neo motor pulling a m120 won't be as snappy. Again trying to keep it simple as this guy is just starting out. Not trying to argue out every detail as that was a quick rough post so it wasn't perfect
 

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I recommend reading around about high speed builds and following techs on social media, you'll see quickly what others are doing to get that extra edge.
High speeds are just really high maintenance. For instance, my build is a 30k neo motor and 18:1 with teeth removed paired with a m120 that was cut down. that gun has been giving me so many issues. As we speak, the gun is disassembled and being rebuilt for the 10th time. High speeds are fun, but the amount of maintenance is not really worth the time unless that is what you really want.
 
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High speeds are just really high maintenance. For instance, my build is a 30k neo motor and 18:1 with teeth removed paired with a m120 that was cut down. that gun has been giving me so many issues. As we speak, the gun is disassembled and being rebuilt for the 10th time. High speeds are fun, but the amount of maintenance is not really worth the time unless that is what you really want.
I dont want to derail this thread, but with experience and the right blend of parts with proper tuning/mods its doable, just sometimes it takes awhile to get things running smoothly, which is too much for the OP to do for a first gun mod/upgrade.
 

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Uh? That is not a true statement. Plus, I have to note. Not all LIPO are in the same performance range and not all NEO magnets are at the same rating. N28 to N52 is a very large range of strength.

Plus, you don't need a 3S LIPO to "use a decent M120".

This old video shows a 2S LIPO running a M120 at 25RPS with a High Speed Motor...so...you can get some pretty good trigger response with just a HS motor and a 2S Battery.


Go to 2 Minute Mark.
what would you recommend for a good spring and motor ? asking you because i know there are a lot of crappy parts out there, i want something good that won't break..... or break the bank either. what would you recommend ?
 

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what would you recommend for a good spring and motor ? asking you because i know there are a lot of crappy parts out there, i want something good that won't break..... or break the bank either. what would you recommend ?
Springs I exclusively use Prometheus and Guarder after seeing great results from them.

Motors I love the Tienly ones I got from Guges, very powerful magnets and excellent build quality. For budget builds on the other hand you can't beat bang for buck of the SHS/ZCI/Rocket/GMT/etc high torque neodymium 16t/18t motors. JG blue neo motors are also good budget tier 22t torque monsters.

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Guarder SP130 spring in a commissioned Ares G36K with 0.25g bbs. 1.86% FPS variance on semi auto

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Prometheus M120SP spring in my G&G Mk.18 with 0.25g bbs, 0.84% FPS variance on full auto
 

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Me...PDI Springs and Tienly Motors.

I got some bad Guarders a few times. That is due to batch manufacturing or bad packaging. Thus...I don't take the risk, otherwise Guarder is fine.
 

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I'm looking to upgrade my trigger in my matrix m4.(yes, noob gun) All the internals are stock as of now, I'm using 11.1 lipo batteries. Looking for faster trigger response, lighter pull weight (sorry i don't know much terminology lol). Just trying to improve rate of fire in semi auto. not very experienced with modifying airsoft but i have some background in electronics and machining/engineering so i hope that helps.
Hey! For my gun I did a hair trigger mod and put in a better motor (the ASG infinity long type) better gears (SHS 13:1) and better wiring for more voltage transfer and then toped it off with a tenergey 11.1v lipo my rof is now faster than my friends i5 salient :p

Hope this gives you some ideas!
 

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Hey! For my gun I did a hair trigger mod and put in a better motor (the ASG infinity long type) better gears (SHS 13:1) and better wiring for more voltage transfer and then toped it off with a tenergey 11.1v lipo
That battery is gonna die with that set up. trust me. mine destroyed itself on 18.1 with 3 teeth removed and a 30k with a speed trigger.

This is my m4 set up with a Admiral 11.1v 1600mah with a 25c discharge rate (Unless AO says otherwise)
 

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Hey! For my gun I did a hair trigger mod and put in a better motor (the ASG infinity long type) better gears (SHS 13:1) and better wiring for more voltage transfer and then toped it off with a tenergey 11.1v lipo my rof is now faster than my friends i5 salient :p

Hope this gives you some ideas!
i put in a high-torque zci motor. trigger response is a lot better and the rof in semi auto is faster than i can pull the trigger. now all i need is a new trigger, any recommendations
 

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First does this matrix have a microswitch? If not then you are kinda stuck unless someone else knows how to hair trigger a trolley
 
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First does this matrix have a microswitch? If not then you are kinda stuck unless someone else knows how to hair trigger a trolley
https://www.airsoftsociety.com/tags/hair-trigger/

That battery is gonna die with that set up. trust me. mine destroyed itself on 18.1 with 3 teeth removed and a 30k with a speed trigger.

This is my m4 set up with a Admiral 11.1v 1600mah with a 25c discharge rate (Unless AO says otherwise)
Typically you can hear pretty quickly if a battery isn't enough for a setup right from the start.

it's a matrix sportsline m4. lipo ready with g2 micro switch gearbox.
Thats probably proprietary for the shell if its what I'm thinking of.
 

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it's a matrix sportsline m4. lipo ready with g2 micro switch gearbox.
if ur not looking to spend 20 bucks one a new trigger then take to original trigger and wrap a section of paper clip around the rear arm. I will post a pic of what i mean.
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Basically u wrap wire or paper clip around the bottom of the rear arm through the hole where the spring would go. That will give you less trigger pull, but it may make the safety not fully engage sometimes. to fix that problem you would have to remove material off the trigger and so forth. I never had to remove material because the trigger i used had a deep enough safety groove to engage.

If you dont mind spending money, the the SPEED brand of airsoft triggers is good. Angel Customs is also good, but much more finicky.
SPEED trigger: https://www.evike.com/products/88847/
Angel Customs: https://www.evike.com/products/75924/
 
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if ur not looking to spend 20 bucks one a new trigger then take to original trigger and wrap a section of paper clip around the rear arm. I will post a pic of what i mean. View attachment 169541
Basically u wrap wire or paper clip around the bottom of the rear arm through the hole where the spring would go. That will give you less trigger pull, but it may make the safety not fully engage sometimes. to fix that problem you would have to remove material off the trigger and so forth. I never had to remove material because the trigger i used had a deep enough safety groove to engage.

If you dont mind spending money, the the SPEED brand of airsoft triggers is good. Angel Customs is also good, but much more finicky.
SPEED trigger: https://www.evike.com/products/88847/
Angel Customs: https://www.evike.com/products/75924/
thanks a lot man, especially for the links. i'm probably gonna just going to buy a trigger to bypass all that finicky stuff. :)
 

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Not that easy necessarily.

If you box has the Micro-Switch. It does not have the support parts for a traditional trigger system.
 

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One that can only fit in your mechbox. You have a proprietary unit...thus your selection options is slim to none.
 
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