Trigger Response

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Brogan Smith

Discussion Starter · Dec 2, 2020

alright so my mk18 has a gate titan and shs gears/piston assembly. my trigger response is imo really good BUT I've seen guys talks about ss'ing they're gear teeth and piston teeth. what's the benefit? is it enough of a benefit to do it to my gun or would I be destroying quality gears?

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aotsukisho

· #2 · Dec 2, 2020

If there's nothing wrong with your setup then you don't need to do anything to it.

Shortstroking means the piston is not pulled back as far before being released, which in theory reduces FPS and increases the ceiling for RPS before hitting premature engagement with a specific weight of piston. Because the piston is released sooner in the cycle, there is more time for it to return home.

If you are at the edge of premature engagement (the point which is usually discovered by destroying a piston prior) you can SS to make it cycle reliably. If you need to drop FPS but do not have or want to mess with different springs or inner barrels, you can SS to do so.

If you SS your current gearset without changing anything else, the only thing that will happen is your FPS will drop.

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Splode

· #3 · Dec 2, 2020

Yeah, don't worry about that. Short stroking actually hurts performance by lowering fps. The guys that are short stroking are doing it because their current build needs it because they are pushing it to its limits.

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yrutimid

· #4 · Dec 2, 2020

Splode said:
Yeah, don't worry about that. Short stroking actually hurts performance by lowering fps. The guys that are short stroking are doing it because their current build needs it because they are pushing it to its limits.

or they just wondered what it does and did it just for grins

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OutlawAirsoft

· #5 · Dec 2, 2020

Short stroking a build by one tooth will knock off around 15 FPS. Unless you want the lower FPS, short stroking would not be worth the nano-second quicker trigger response. Ultimately, you are just shortening the distance the piston travels by approximately 2mm. As autsukisho and Splode said, the main use of short stroking is dropping a high-power build to field legal FPS and preventing premature engagement.

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Brogan Smith

Discussion Starter · #6 · Dec 2, 2020

aotsukisho said:
If there's nothing wrong with your setup then you don't need to do anything to it.

Shortstroking means the piston is not pulled back as far before being released, which in theory reduces FPS and increases the ceiling for RPS before hitting premature engagement with a specific weight of piston. Because the piston is released sooner in the cycle, there is more time for it to return home.

If you are at the edge of premature engagement (the point which is usually discovered by destroying a piston prior) you can SS to make it cycle reliably. If you need to drop FPS but do not have or want to mess with different springs or inner barrels, you can SS to do so.

If you SS your current gearset without changing anything else, the only thing that will happen is your FPS will drop.

okay that actually makes a lot of sense. I don't think I'll be doing it because I honestly don't need anymore rps

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Brogan Smith

Discussion Starter · #7 · Dec 2, 2020

OutlawAirsoft said:
Short stroking a build by one tooth will knock off around 15 FPS. Unless you want the lower FPS, short stroking would not be worth the nano-second quicker trigger response. Ultimately, you are just shortening the distance the piston travels by approximately 2mm. As autsukisho and Splode said, the main use of short stroking is dropping a high-power build to field legal FPS and preventing premature engagement.

so is that why guys remove ~5 teeth at a time?

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Guges Mk3

· #8 · Dec 2, 2020

That a bit excessive...and short sighted in most applications that I can think of...

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Splode

· #9 · Dec 2, 2020

Brogan Smith said:
so is that why guys remove ~5 teeth at a time?

If they are removing a bunch of teeth then they are generally building a DSG which involves using a much heavier spring on a sector gear that will chamber it twice in one rotation. If they dont remove those teeth they will be wayyy over fps limits and will also be getting pme.

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danerd

· #10 · Dec 2, 2020

Brogan Smith said:
so is that why guys remove ~5 teeth at a time?

They do that in conjunction with a (very) heavy spring to mimic a DSG without doing the work of getting a propper DSG running.

Which makes little sense because the mechanical strain on components is considerably more on an extreme short stroke setup than it is on a DSG...

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Guges Mk3

· #11 · Dec 2, 2020

danerd said:
They do that in conjunction with a (very) heavy spring to mimic a DSG without doing the work of getting a propper DSG running.

Which makes little sense because the mechanical strain on components is considerably more on an extreme short stroke setup than it is on a DSG...

Which is on par with users of CO2 based Airsoft.

Let's make things work harder unnecessarily, screw durability and performance!

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Splode

· #12 · Dec 2, 2020

Guges Mk3 said:
Which is on par with users of CO2 based Airsoft.

Let's make things work harder unnecessarily, screw durability and performance!

Omg my buddy was a firm believer in "CO2 is better" for the longest time until his 1911 crapped out on him for the 20th time. Also, I could never understand why you would want to risk being in game and running out of CO2 half way through a mag because you weren't sure how much was left in the cartridge. Sure you can keep putting brand new cartridges in and tossing the partially used ones but thats just a waste. Just go green gas and top up each time.
I laugh every time i see someone at the field swearing because they just froze up their mag (and probably ruined their seals) when the third CO2 cartridge in a row decided to empty.

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Guges Mk3

· #13 · Dec 2, 2020

You can thank Cybergun for propagating the superiority of CO2 in Airsoft. This is the same company that paid 20 million for a basic bad online FPS (War Inc) by 19 million and made and patented a dual axis hop-up unit.

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OutlawAirsoft

· #14 · Dec 2, 2020

Thanks, Cybergun.

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