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Upgrading 416 Need help

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Hi there, I've been running with my 416 deadstock for about a year now. I want to upgrade the internals but I'm not sure whats best on the market right now. Forgive me if later in this post I may sound dumb, I don't really know what I'm talking about.

So, I'll start of sharing the parts that I've chosen and hopefully I can get some feedback or other recommendations. Also, all of what I'm linking is outside the gearbox. I have literally no idea where to start with that. If anyone has any suggestions for a good "drop in" one I'd be appreciative. Another thing, I'm not interested in HPA, The cost to build it and keep it running is just too high for me at the moment. That being said, The budget for the parts doesn't have to be low. Feel free to recommend anything at most price points. so long as its not crazy it wont be a problem. Anything upward of $800 is out of my, Not that the upgrades would cost near that much at all! Anyway, here is what I've chosen so far.

Hopup: ProWin M4/M16 Series

Motor: Lonex TITAN Supreme Edition Torque & Speed / Long

Bucking: Maple Leaf AST Rubber Bucking - 75°

Hopup Spacer: Angel Custom CNC Metal "H-Hop"

Barrel: Prometheus 6.03 EG Tight Bore (363mm)

Mosfet: Burst Wizard King Kong Super 2 - Small Tamiya

So that is my list. Is there anything I should change? Did I miss anything? I want it shooting very accurately at both long and short distances. I also want good trigger response. I also want it to last. I don't want to put anything in it that could end up breaking easy or is prone to something going wrong. I'm not bothered with the rate of fire, I much prefer distance and accuracy. Any recommendations from people who know about this stuff would be great! And if you guys could tell me if its worth upgrading my gearbox I would greatly appreciate it! I'm also skeptical about the mosfet, I believe this one is plug and play? Does it make a big difference from ones that are hardwired? Thank you for your time reading this, and thank you in advance to anyone who ends up helping!

-Thanks, Nick
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Save yourself some money and buy your parts on clandestine or brill armory. They have more quality parts at a fraction of the cost. Before I start naming internals, what kind of battery are you running? Do you know how to properly shim, correct AOE, and etc.? If not I'd recommended reading the stickies before you get yourself into teching.

Now as far as internals go, motor wise I personally would skip the Lonex and pick up a SHS or ZCI high torque. The SHS will be roughly the same performance of the Lonex but it's cheaper. The ZCI will have more torque (better trigger response) but it will be slower. The Prometheus barrel is fine, but you don't really need the prowin hop-up. A Lonex hop up chamber will do the same thing, but cheaper. Not too sure about the bucking, but ditch the H-nub and pick yourself up an M-nub and Rhop. Read the stickies about flat hopping and just flat hop the stock bucking too use with the Rhop and M-nub.
Standard hop ups have issues with the 416 upper and mock bolt, the teeth on the adjustment gears get chewed off. You need a rotary style like the Prowin or the SHS rotary.

Everything else +1.

If you have the newer model VFC 416 (2015+, I think, red piston, red tappet), then it also comes with a mosfet and o-ring nozzle. The only thing inside you really need to change is the gears (or at least the shimming).
Oh goodness, thanks for letting me know I didn't know that lol.
I forgot to mention that I'm running the 2014 416. So nothing improved in the gearbox and no mosfet like in the 2015 one. Also, I'm running a 7.4 right now. I wasn't planning on doing any of the tech work myself. My local field has a few techs on site. I'll have it done there. Now where will I find an m-nub and rhop?
Thank you for all the help.
Clandestine airsoft has everything I listed for sale on their website.
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