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I also plan on driving to events in Michigan and stuff, since apparently it's booming there...
You can drop in on marine and Knief just to bug the crap out of them. :p
 
I'd say that here on the east coast the sport is growing. It's not as big as in California, but it is growing. The main problem is a lack of good fields. Speaking of which, does anybody know of decent fields in the Pennsylvania-New Jersey area?
 
I'd say that here on the east coast the sport is growing. It's not as big as in California, but it is growing. The main problem is a lack of good fields. Speaking of which, does anybody know of decent fields in the Pennsylvania-New Jersey area?
EAG is in Milhall, PA
Battlefield CQB in Boothwyn, PA
Grid Code CQB in Allentown, PA
 
I'd have to say it's dynamic in different areas. In some parts of the country (ex. Rochester where I used to live) there was pretty much nothing other than a store or two. Now that I look back quite a few fields seem to have sprung up, each with a bunch of players. Same goes for here in AZ, some new fields have opened up or expanded in the past two years around the valley. And the local indoor place seems to be getting more crowded by the day.
 
I think the sport is growing but it's realy being impeded by cheap Airsoft manufacturers. what happens is the kids look at walmart and ****s sporting goods for guns and they see them for like 50$ and the guns are horrible and get busted, the kids wasted their money and don't even think about getting a nicer gun. most kids quit because of that or they don't like getting shot and are scared to get into combat.


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Any serious players in Georgia are nearly dead, it's mostly cod softers. Don't get me wrong they can be nice, but when I hear a swear every 5 seconds I don't like it there or them.
 
Any serious players in Georgia are nearly dead, it's mostly cod softers. Don't get me wrong they can be nice, but when I hear a swear every 5 seconds I don't like it there or them.
Yeah... I'm going to have to disagree with that one DK. Most of the 'swearing' comes from two groups"
1. Kids trying to be tough and bad(donkey)
2. Vets who have served and only know that as their way of expressing frustration.
 
Yeah... I'm going to have to disagree with that one DK. Most of the 'swearing' comes from two groups"

1. Kids trying to be tough and bad(donkey)

2. Vets who have served and only know that as their way of expressing frustration.
Well at places like SS and Elite Ops, what I've stated is true. At GT, you're correct, however most of them have the correct amount of brain cells to know when to stop.
 
Well at places like SS and Elite Ops, what I've stated is true. At GT, you're correct, however most of them have the correct amount of brain cells to know when to stop.
Well at places like SS and Elite Ops, what I've stated is true.
Well at places like SS and Elite Ops,
SS and Elite Ops,
Absolutely with you there :D Lots of liddle kiddies running around in those CQB places. Its in the fields that real men show up though.
 
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Glad to hear it's not like Green Bay everywhere! Any ideas how to grow Airsoft in a community? It'd pretty much be from ground zero...we have no good fields within an 1.5 hour drive, and the only other "team" in our area runs around in Condor and ACU quite seriously thinking they're SEALS. I'm no pro, but it's absolutely pathetic.
 
, and the only other "team" in our area runs around in Condor and ACU quite seriously thinking they're SEALS. I'm no pro, but it's absolutely pathetic.
This attitude right here is a serious problem within the sport... So what the guys run condor... Get the heck out there and play some airsoft..
 
Like everyone else, I don't think it's disappearing. I think it's growing steadily, but it could grow faster. The thing stunting more potential growth I see is retention of newcomers and peoples perception of airsoft. A lot of people look at airsoft as those toys they used to play with in their backyards. Others start and then lose interest due to not taking it seriously enough or because they got tired of the people the played with. Sometimes I've noticed the community can have a sort of superiority complex towards new players which I've never understood. I try to encourage people to get into airsoft. The reason I think people don't take it seriously is that there's not a lot of organization and cooperation between other airsoft entities. Where I was from in KC, a lot of people played, there was just no organization. I thought moving here to SD would yield more but there really isn't here either from what I've seen in SoCal, which is supposed to be the Mecca of airsoft. But no, playing in places across the country I wouldn't say it's dying.

Edit: Totally didn't see your post before mine Man-Child, but that's exactly the kind of attitude I see within the community that I think turns newer players off or turns them away. I feel the same way as you. Who cares if they have condor gear and a Gameface M4? As long as their out there playing I could care less. And naturally as they play longer they'll naturally start to upgrade to better guns and gear. But maybe I feel that way that's since it was hard to find people to play with where I was from. I don't know.
 
^ about the more serious players putting others down.

When I play at my local field, the younger people almost always call their hits or teammates give them a friendly notice about it, and the hardcore Milsim teams are nonstop cheating. I saw one guy with a bunch of good gear never calling hits unless you had gear on par with his. In my opinion, the reason why people will quit airsoft is because they will see all these guys with amazing gear and then realize they can't afford that immediately, and then will give up on the sport... I have almost done this twice...


#longhairsomewhatcare
 
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^ about the more serious players putting others down.

When I play at my local field, the younger people almost always call their hits or teammates give them a friendly notice about it, and the hardcore Milsim teams are nonstop cheating. I saw one guy with a bunch of good gear never calling hits unless you had gear on par with his. In my opinion, the reason why people will quit airsoft is because they will see all these guys with amazing gear and then realize they can't afford that immediately, and then will give up on the sport... I have almost done this twice...

#longhairsomewhatcare
I wasn't trying to put down anyone wearing condor, I realize I came off as an elitist and I apologize for that. I only meant that they use somewhat mediocre gear and in their team description they call themselves the best team in WI. I'm not against people wearing condor at all, I myself wear MODI which isn't much better, I'm against arrogant high schoolers running around ruining everyone's fun with their attitudes and not calling any hits whatsoever :)

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Heres my thoughts on the matters as someone who saw paintball go through the same lull for a while.

First off~ we are in an ailing economy, for the average once a month player this isnt too big of a deal. I'll come back to this because its actually a larger point for airsofters.

My main theory is much that voiced already but a little different. In airsoft there seems to be a much smaller minority of 'average joe' players that sit in the middle of the curve. Typically these encompass those who arent morons, know about what they are using and how to work on it but dont necessarily know everything, but at the end of the day are the fun ones who will help newer players out.

Quite frankly, airsoft is full off :mad:holes and elitism, basing off of the quality of equipment. Its not quiet criticism either and for a newer player, thats off putting in a major way. This doesnt just pertain to players either in my experience as when I was looking to get into airsoft the first time around some five or six years ago, I casually mentioned to a shop owner that I played paintball and he called me a 'puffball player.'

Bottom line: Is airsoft dying? No, but its growth is being stunted heavily be elitism. If this continues it can and will kill the sport. Its a changing, evolving hobby that needs friendship or at the least some more shut mouths to grow.
 
Heres my thoughts on the matters as someone who saw paintball go through the same lull for a while.

First off~ we are in an ailing economy, for the average once a month player this isnt too big of a deal. I'll come back to this because its actually a larger point for airsofters.

My main theory is much that voiced already but a little different. In airsoft there seems to be a much smaller minority of 'average joe' players that sit in the middle of the curve. Typically these encompass those who arent morons, know about what they are using and how to work on it but dont necessarily know everything, but at the end of the day are the fun ones who will help newer players out.

Quite frankly, airsoft is full off :mad:holes and elitism, basing off of the quality of equipment. Its not quiet criticism either and for a newer player, thats off putting in a major way. This doesnt just pertain to players either in my experience as when I was looking to get into airsoft the first time around some five or six years ago, I casually mentioned to a shop owner that I played paintball and he called me a 'puffball player.'

Bottom line: Is airsoft dying? No, but its growth is being stunted heavily be elitism. If this continues it can and will kill the sport. Its a changing, evolving hobby that needs friendship or at the least some more shut mouths to grow.
Yeah that's basically what I'm saying/ have said before. It'll kill airsoft before anything else. In other hobbies I'm involved in there isn't so much hostility and elitism among those more experienced than there is in airsoft, and I don't know why that is. Airsoft needs to have more of a foster and mentor approach to newcomers and create a culture that is desired by all instead of berating others and causing them to lose interest.
 
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