Hello,I need your help about two glocks.Umarex glock 45 gen 5 and umarex glock 17 gen 5.Which one is the best?
Best gas blowback glock
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I didn't say "pure aluminum", and WE T advertises the GP1799 and newer G17 as "Aircraft Quality Aluminum" which is a high tensile strength ..... I was a USAF Pilot for 22 years, regular and reserves. 27th Spl Ops Wing.
That broken G-17 you show above is a Umarex EF G-17, gen unknown. Not a WE Tech. WE Tech have no "roll-on" or stamped in "company markings" ...... reason, WE Tech's Glocks aren't "Licensed" !! All the WE T's have cast into the Alumunum slides is "G-17", no Glock icon etc.
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No you didn't and I did quote you. And you said:
While 6061, 5052, 2014 and 2024 are High Grade Aircraft Aluminum that has Tensile strength, it's not wear resistance. Take two pieces and rub...it will wear quickly.
But there is the 1000 series...it's good against light load wear...which some AL Airsoft slides are made from (Proarms, PGC)...
A common misconception is that there is an “Aerospace grade” or “Aircraft spec” of aluminum. Various grades of aluminum from (but not limited to) the 1000 series, 2000 series, 5000 series, 6000 series, and 7000 series grades of aluminum are routinely used in the aerospace industry.
And why would a license hold back a Taiwan company from doing what they want.
I have 8 of these in service at an Annual shooting range in MN for Police Explorers.
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Don't assume you "need" to have a "license" to make a Replica in Asia.
And they are not all cast aluminum slides....most are Zinc. Been there seen it being assembled...
Here is a tell that it's a WE
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We plastic spacer in front of Spring Guide. VFC/UM don't have that cut in the slide...and the spring guide is not a double type.
And my fully marked WE's also have the spacer.
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But, WE Glocks have come a long way after making their own the HK3P/3PHK tooling...that they acquired back ~2006
You mentioned nothing about Zn alloy
While 6061, 5052, 2014 and 2024 are High Grade Aircraft Aluminum that has Tensile strength, it's not wear resistance. Take two pieces and rub...it will wear quickly.
But there is the 1000 series...it's good against light load wear...which some AL Airsoft slides are made from (Proarms, PGC)...
A common misconception is that there is an “Aerospace grade” or “Aircraft spec” of aluminum. Various grades of aluminum from (but not limited to) the 1000 series, 2000 series, 5000 series, 6000 series, and 7000 series grades of aluminum are routinely used in the aerospace industry.
And why would a license hold back a Taiwan company from doing what they want.
I have 8 of these in service at an Annual shooting range in MN for Police Explorers.
Don't assume you "need" to have a "license" to make a Replica in Asia.
And they are not all cast aluminum slides....most are Zinc. Been there seen it being assembled...
Here is a tell that it's a WE
We plastic spacer in front of Spring Guide. VFC/UM don't have that cut in the slide...and the spring guide is not a double type.
And my fully marked WE's also have the spacer.
But, WE Glocks have come a long way after making their own the HK3P/3PHK tooling...that they acquired back ~2006
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I DID say, as you Quoted, "Premium" Aluminum", nothing about specific "Grades".
"WEAR" (ie Aluminum) is not an issue with Airsoft pistols, they'll never be shot enough to wear out that way. BREAKAGE (cracking) IS an issue in Airsoft pistols, especially when the slide is Polymer or another type of Plastic.
And ALL GP1799's are Aluminum CNC finished Slides, so are the newest G-17's ... Period. As are ALL of the "Dinosaur" named Hi-Capa's.
"WEAR" (ie Aluminum) is not an issue with Airsoft pistols, they'll never be shot enough to wear out that way. BREAKAGE (cracking) IS an issue in Airsoft pistols, especially when the slide is Polymer or another type of Plastic.
And ALL GP1799's are Aluminum CNC finished Slides, so are the newest G-17's ... Period. As are ALL of the "Dinosaur" named Hi-Capa's.
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I found some photos of my WE Glock. After a week it started jamming up like this. I notice the trades are different than the ones on yours, Guges. Maybe that means something idk. I just hear too many negative things about WE for me to want to give them a shot again, no pun intended. It would take plenty of positive user feedback for any new products for that to happen.
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First, the different Tradewmarks are because YOURS is the real WE Tech G-17 from the 2019 era, I don't know what the hell Guges is supposedly showing! I have NEVER seen a WE T G-17 of any mfg date, with either the Glock logo trademark, or Glock's Patient Numbers! And, I just sold out a recent batch of WE G-17's I just got from Taiwan in January!
Second, all this wear (see photo markup) is clearly YEARS of use, maybe even abuse, bcause I don't see any lubricant on the metal parts!! You have to LUBE parts that move against other parts. Don't blame jamming issues on the manufacturer, when you don't dutifully LUBRICATE your pistol.
I see more airsoft (and real steel) guns coming in for repairs because the owners are negligent with cleaning and properly lubricating their pistols. THE ONLY handgun you get away with NOT Lubricating (as the owner) is a Revolver!
Buy White Lithium Grease and lube your guns! It STAYS PUT, doesn't Evaporate like Silicone lubes, or petroleum oils, and it's easy to clean when it gets dirty. Graphite Lube is another option, but it's expensive and messy.
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I appreciate your feedback. Yes of course, lube is important. However this photo shows the sanding job I did to try and remedy the problem (Roguesystem087 on YouTube made a video about it).
It was literally still a brand new pistol when the tilting barrel started locking the slide as seen in the 2nd pic.
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Always provide us with all the details, like the sanding, help us to diagnose problemo's.
1 & 2) - NEVER trust some idiot on a YouTube video, ya know the old adage 1/2 of everything on YouBoob is wrong, and the other 1/2 is BS. ALWAYS USE a hard hard hard FINE Arkansas Stone to smooth any parts on a gun, REAL Steel or Airsoft, especially airsoft because of the sometimes questionable metal they use. A stone will Smooth a part, rather than REMOVE metal, which ANY grade of sandpaper is meant for, never "polishing". When ANY Gunsmith does a "Trigger Job" to all the components in the whole mechanism from trigger, to the Sear and Hammer, etc, a STONE is always used, NEVER sandpaper or a file.
3) You may notice that often internal parts in the Barrel to Trigger /Hammer group, in a Airsoft gun looks like they were not "finished off" (smoothed, trimmed, polished, etc) because the (manufacturer is lazy and cheap) and the crap metal nearly everyone uses in the trigger /hammer group is left that way to surprisingly be more "slippery" to other unfinished castings because of the nature of virgin casting surfaces. Sounds nuts, but true. ONLY stone a surface if you HAVE TO, you have no other choices, maybe because there are rough casting lines, burrs, ..... Feel the external surface of a decent casting, and notice that it's actually smoother than any internal surface. Also, when Alum is cast, the Alum is slightly more dense at the casting wall, then below the surface. The Aluminum molecules are more "compressed" i guess in the casting process. Sand off that surface skin, you loose the thicker metal.
Questions:
1) I don't understand WHERE you are certain the barrel is "binding"? At the outer barrel lug, the inner barrel but where? ........ How did you determine where it's binding up?
2) Where is the Slide at in the cycle? Half way back in recoil, or forward in loading a BB and going it to "battery"? 1/4. ..... 2/3rds, 3/4's going back or forward?
3) How "stuck" is the barrel? Barely binding, stuck?
I use two WE T GP1799's my black T1 I use for MilSim skirmishs, has a whole 2,500 bag of .23 BB through it, not a single problem, nuthin' and it's scary accurate on target to 100+ feet. Granted it's more lightly used in my world.
My other is the Tan/Silver (brrushed Alum) GP1799 which i use only for Run n Gun, ISPC, other Match Shooting. I've shot the sh*t of of it, over 10,000 .25 BB's and 1,500 Aluminum .25 "Match" BB's, and again not a single issue.
The insides of the WE T GP1799's are IDENTICAL to WE T "G-17's" that have been made in the last 3 to 5 years, since the GP1799 was introduced. (I don't know the exact time frame). But when I imported 10 brand new, made in 2023 G-17 models, I took a couple (all black and tan/black like yours) completely a part to compare with my 2022 GP1799's. They are IDENTICAL inside, slide is cast in the same method as the GP1799's.
I don't see how, at least recent G-17's, could jam.
Would like to help you out and using your WE G-17 again, ....... confidently.
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Mine are real WE's...just because you have never seen one first hand with these marking doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means I am/was more connected to the industry. These are legit Asia only WE's with full markings...as noted by the classic WE gas magazine plate.
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and their additional embellishment...they subbed the Glock Logo on their mags too.
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Again, these are Asia only models that are never sold in the USA...but can get here by knowing the right people.
I only have 3 of those base plates left intact...sadly the Explorers accidentally doing mag drops have broken the others and I just swapped the stock ones back on.
and their additional embellishment...they subbed the Glock Logo on their mags too.
Again, these are Asia only models that are never sold in the USA...but can get here by knowing the right people.
I only have 3 of those base plates left intact...sadly the Explorers accidentally doing mag drops have broken the others and I just swapped the stock ones back on.
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I appreciate your support. If I remember correctly, pulling on the outer barrel when it jammed would send the slide home. I'm not sure what that would mean internally, but I don't have the gun anymore so it doesn't matter. This happened in Belarus in 2021... Maybe WE sent their defective guns there 😂
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1)According to the YouTube video I watched about it (the guy seems to be an expert in TM system Glocks) he described the problem I was having. It seemed to be an issue with the outer barrel lugs.
2) It would jam on returning to battery
3) Very stuck. Tapping the back of the slide wouldn't budge it.
Will do.
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But there is not a single "WE T" LOGO anywhere, no "Atom with a W" inside it, not WE logo on the Grips, nothing. Aftermarket baseplates or full WE T G-17 series mags can be bought anywhere, I've bought 20 from Evike and Airsoft GI in LA! Nothing on your many picture prove they are WE Tech G-17! The finger crip cuts on the Slide you show are not found on ANY WE Tech G series GBB! WE's all have deep cut slats, not what you picture shows!
On the WE Tech TAIWAN website for G Series GBBP's there are NO G-17's that look anything like what you show! They show what they sell in Asia or Europe, not the US.
They're G-17's look like these, not like what you're claiming are WE T G-17's. The "Glock logo" is just a G, not a Glock logo! It says "Tactical" NOT "Made in Austria".
Even this Custom model below looks nothing like yours. Vertical Slide cuts, WE Logo on grips. THEIR patents, not Glocks..
The TAIWAN WE Airsoft website, not a USA one. - http://www.weairsoft.com/guns/pistols-gas-blowback/g-series.html
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Hmmmm, OK. I have not heard of this, but I'm curious about it now. I'm going to be ordering another 10 new WE T G-17 gen4 from Taiwan, my Brother-in-Law does the buy and ships them to me, may buy a few other WE T models not available here. The multi-store WE dealer we're buying from has committed to sending any broken parts to me if one breaks in leu of no Warranty and I fix them. I am only selling them to local So Calif airsofter's. I'm going to ask my brother-in-law to also look for a G-17 gen3 for me, and I'm going to see if I can replicate this problem.
Hey, Nikolai - Don't know where in the US you live, but if you have $100 sitting around, get a WE T GP1799 T1, Evike and Airsoft MegaStore frequently have them on sale for under $100USD + ship on sale. I can't buy them from my dealer chain in Taiwan where they are made, ship Them here and resell them at those prices! They what a Glock 17 gen 5 should have been. I always hated Glocks, real and especially Airsoft any brand. I've always used either M9's/P92 Bereta's or 2011 Hi-Capa's in Airsoft, now I'm pretty sold on the GP1799 version of a Glock. Warning though, GP1799's are not for small hands.
Are you originally from Belarus? I have a good friend "Alexey" and his wife, and grown daughters, they are originally from Belarus. He was in the "Soviet" army near it's end. He's a Jew, so they "fled" to America a long time ago. He plays on one of our local (American) "Veteran" MilSim teams, fortunately his English is excellent.
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They are not going to put this model on their Website...they are not that naive. And they had no reason too...they sold them without needing to list them on a web page.
These units all have the production structure of a WE.
The ones you are showing are all recent production. You shouldn't compare a new Gen 5 to an old Gen 3
Mine is early 2010's....way before your time on what is what and who made what...among other things.
I have a story for the Airsoft G42 Glock...and that story will never be on a website...but it did end up in a "book".
These units all have the production structure of a WE.
The ones you are showing are all recent production. You shouldn't compare a new Gen 5 to an old Gen 3
Mine is early 2010's....way before your time on what is what and who made what...among other things.
I have a story for the Airsoft G42 Glock...and that story will never be on a website...but it did end up in a "book".
Guges is right. WE did Hk3p Glocks years backs for the asia market with correct trades. Many of them reached europe.
As he said. Just because you never heard of them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Google it
I have come to this discussion late. I have had several WE Glocks and was pretty happy with them.
Are the slides on the later WE Glocks really improved over the earlier ones, and do the newer outer barrels not have a tendency to snap over time?
Is the original WE Glock Gen 5, without the removable plate for a red dot sight, different internally from the later one to which a red dot can be attached.
Are the slides on the later WE Glocks really improved over the earlier ones, and do the newer outer barrels not have a tendency to snap over time?
Is the original WE Glock Gen 5, without the removable plate for a red dot sight, different internally from the later one to which a red dot can be attached.
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