Ohh and they all have a $150 budget and one wants a gbbr. But the cheapest one I could find is the combat machine gbbr. Should I recommend that???

 

Okay, first things first, use the edit feature rather than double post. Double posting can get you banned.

Second, one important piece of airsoft knowledge is that Combat Machines(CMs) are pieces of junk.

Now to your friend situation, they are going have to consider raising their budget to the $250 range. That price point will get you the quality and reliability needed for a good AEG.

The best starter brands are DBoys, JG, Lonex, and VFC. All of these brands are fairly solid out of the box internally wise. With a JG or DBoys the external quality can be lacking.

Now if a friend wants a good GBBR, they are going to have to consider paying a lot not only for the gun, but for magazines and gas. You have to constantly buy green gas overtime which adds up. Not to mention they require much more maintenance.

An important adage to remember is, you get what you pay for.

 

I disagree with coopa on the G&G Combat Machine, it is a fine replica for 150$, for the money you can't really beet it. On the GBBR I agree, as a starter gun it's not a good idea.

 

Right the CM is a good replica...of a turd shaped like an M4. You want metal, not plastic externals. Not to mention quality internals.

 

Right the CM is a good replica...of a turd shaped like an M4. You want metal, not plastic externals. Not to mention quality internals.

What are you talking about? All CM's have metal internals, I'll admit they do have some trigger and motor problem but they aren't very big problems.

 

Combat Machines are great... I mean no there not. Huge feeding problems [You have to hold mag into gun or it doesnt shoot] and its not worth it. Id get a AEG atleast...

 

CMs internals are metal, but more along the lines of pot metal. Not to mention the fact that the stock barrel is aluminum. CMs are junk, no debate. Ask any tech on here. Do not buy one unless you plan on overhauling the whole gun.

 

Are the combat machine aegs and gbbrs bad?

 

CMs internals are metal, but more along the lines of pot metal. Not to mention the fact that the stock barrel is aluminum. CMs are junk, no debate. Ask any tech on here. Do not buy one unless you plan on overhauling the whole gun.

Yes, this site is mostly an anti CM site, all of my local techs (myself included) love them. If left stock and treated right they can last a pretty good while. I've never had any problems with G&G CM's (besides the motors on the raiders and trigger contacts)

 

Are the combat machine aegs and gbbrs bad?

Short answer, yes. If they do not want to spend more, have em get a DBoys or JG. If they wish to spend more, have them get a Lonex or VFC.

Also, GBBRs are not starter guns.

 

Are the combat machine aegs and gbbrs bad?

Most people on this site will tell you yes they suck. I will tell you they are worth every penny, especially for a beginners rifle.

 

Are the combat machine aegs and gbbrs bad?

Not terrible. But there are places for improvement... If they but a few upgrade parts it would work fine. But as come there not a good gun.

 

Not to mention for that price point, one could do much better.

 

JG and CYMA are good. You can just go to ASGI and/or Evike and look at what they got.

 

On CM's:

Well, I can tell you from my experience, not parroting, that they're an OK first rifle. After that though, without going into detail, they should be the furthest thing from your mind.

 

I would like to interject into the fray and recommend a different course of action all around. My first AEG rifle was an Echo-1 G36c and it has served me well. It is a little more than four years old and it is in the exact same condition today as it was when I bought it. I have had to do nothing more than general upkeep. I have not replaced or upgraded a single piece on it since the day I purchased it. In other words, it is has been an excellent gun and I would highly recommend an Echo-1 any day of the week. I paid $169 for mine and it has been the best investment for the money.

Compare this to my second gun, I paid $199 for a SIG 550 it's technically a Cybergun, but it is actually a JG rebrand. It has been nothing but trouble. It has broken several times because the externals are cheap plastic, the internals are good, but the body has broken twice and the stock as well. I replaced the entire gun once and now both guns set broken and inoperable. One is completely parts and the other has no stock again.

On the other hand, I own two ICS SIGs a 551 and 552 and these have been as reliable as the Echo-1, but these were over $200 each. The only issue I have had with the 551 is one of my friends broke the flashhider off it, but that was an easy fix, I just removed the broken one and replaced it with a spare M-4 style I had sitting around in my spare parts.

I also own an ICS GSG-522, which is basically a better built MP5, and I have to say I am in love with this gun as well. I paid $169 for it and cannot complain, it is a well built gun and will last quite a while.

Compare these to the two A&Ks I own, an M60 and an M249 and these two guns have been a pain in my side for quite sometime, but there is more to this than just basic quality and workmanship; in other words, their issues are a long story.

What I'm trying to say is, there are plenty of options out there, do some research, talk to people, but don't get caught up in the hype of the name and the fanboy mentality. Just because its popular doesn't mean its worth it. Many of the guns I mentioned are great starter guns, they will last if they are taken care of, but not even a Tokyo Marui will hold its own if it is abused and neglected.

 

Also, GBBRs are not starter guns.

Can't blame a starter on diggin realism lol

 

Short answer, yes. If they do not want to spend more, have em get a DBoys or JG. If they wish to spend more, have them get a Lonex or VFC.

Also, GBBRs are not starter guns.

>Says G&G externals are bad
>Recommends JGs with no mention of externals >.>

 

Can't blame a starter on diggin realism lol

You can't, though AEG's are more for beginners because of the lower cost and easier upkeep.

 

You can't, though AEG's are more for beginners because of the lower cost and easier upkeep.

Yea I told him he would have to up his price range for a gbbr so I recommended a kwa smg are those good because i am also planing on getting the mp9

 

Yea I told him he would have to up his price range for a gbbr so I recommended a kwa smg are those good because i am also planing on getting the mp9

Just remember, the mags run 40-50$ a piece, you have to fill the mags with green gas (15$ a bottle), and the upkeep is pretty intense(you have to keep all the dirt and dust out, keep it oiled (very good) keep the O-rings replaced and in good order)

 

Just remember, the mags run 40-50$ a piece, you have to fill the mags with green gas (15$ a bottle), and the upkeep is pretty intense(you have to keep all the dirt and dust out, keep it oiled (very good) keep the O-rings replaced and in good order)

Or he could just use propane and save a large sum of money over time. Just get a propane adapter ($15-$20) and get some propane tanks from Walmart or a local sporting goods store which will run about $10 for a pack of 2 large propane canisters. A lot cheaper in the long run.

 

Or he could just use propane and save a large sum of money over time. Just get a propane adapter ($15-$20) and get some propane tanks from Walmart or a local sporting goods store which will run about $10 for a pack of 2 large propane canisters. A lot cheaper in the long run.

Yes, but if you use propane the upkeep goes up as you need to keep everything oiled even better. So for a beginner it green gas would be easier.

 

Not to be a **** here, but also look at the OP's level of literacy. I'm guessing he's rather young. Under 16 almost for sure. Nothing wrong with that, as long as the airsoft guns are used with a certain level of maturity, but teching and making DIY adjustments likely aren't high on the list of things to do. We're likely talking about something to be used right out of the box for as long as possible. So I'm going to suggest either a JG G36C, JG AK, or a Cyma CM028. All of em are durable, simple and easy to keep running for a while. I think that's something a lot of the experienced folks forget. To some, tech work is just another part of airsoft and just as easy as loading a hi-cap. Now, I could be completely off base here and if I am, my apologies.

 

Since it sounds like you guys are a bit of a beginning group you should look at either a JG G36 or Dboys M4 lineup. Dboys takes it on externals hands down and has good internals as well. The JG might have a tad better internals but loses on externals. Something with the Dboys though (i'm guessing you're not wanting to open the gearbox) they have bad shim jobs most of the time, so if you get a really bad one then it could hurt the gun. But don't be detered, they are great beginner AEGs and just budget AEGs in general.