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New Brushless Motor

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With that control board mounted externally...that is an issue to me.

This is due to fitment in the grip.
 
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With that control board mounted externally...that is an issue to me.

This is due to fitment in the grip.
But if it does fit, and it does last long, what are the advantages? We don't know unless we try it. You never know, it may last and fit well.
 
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Yeah, that circuit board won't survive long in an AEG.
 
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Brushless motors have generally higher performance, longer lifespan, better efficiency and can be controlled more effectively. I guess it can be worth a try at that price point. The first brushless AEG motor cost around $200, so the price is definitely dropping. That's an interesting motor indeed, but I would prefer if the circuitry was better protected.

The motor is rarely a performance bottleneck in an AEG though, it's rather the compression assembly and feeding capabilities of the magazine.
 
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It's just a 2200kv brushless motor at its core, it should be no problem to remove the circuit board and run your own controller. The challenge is that most RC aircraft ESCs are physically larger than that and may not fit in the grip, the fact that they run off of a 1.0-2.0ms PWM signal for control, and there are issues running long wires in brushless systems as the controller needs to accurately sense back-EMF to determine rotor position. Also worrying is the speed selector switch, physical component reliability aside there is no easy way to change KV of a brushless motor other than a winding architecture change (delta to wye, or vice versa) so my guess is partial throttle through the controller...very bad for heat buildup, and the MOSFETs aren't heatsinked.

As the listing states the motor is not compatible with active braking, I do not see a bridge rectifier and MOSFETs do not like being under reverse polarity. If one of you end up buying this to test out don't forget to disable it so you don't smoke the board.
 
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And in the hands of the inexperienced....flushing noise.
 
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I'm wondering, what limitations would have to be overcome to get this to run a 6s lipo?

I burned through half a dozen hand-wound motors and a pair of "high current" brushes by the time I stopped tinkering with the idea a ~4 years back, and at that point my thoughts for a viable alternative were a brush-less motor setup.
 
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1)Cyma full metal MP5 EBB.
2)To flex on all the kiddies who build high-speed setups with DSGs.
3)I already have the battery.
4)I was sleep deprived, 3am April 2014.

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Extremely high turn count, low kv (rpm/volt). Make power through voltage and not current, since current has exponentially higher losses. Thinner wire, smaller capacity battery requirements, less heat.
My previous attempts with brushed motors were on a Zippy Compact 2200mah 6s lipo, 30ish AWG magnet wire, 6 parallel strands of 22-24TPA with what I recall to be Trinity "High current" brushes.

If memory serves me right I ballparked a negligible increase in Amp draw over an 11.1 or 14.5 volt setup with the volts being the single biggest contributor to total wattage in the system.